Episode 87, Confucianism (Part III - Practices)
The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast
Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane
4.8 • 612 Ratings
🗓️ 11 October 2020
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Introduction
One day when Jack, Olly, and Andy were accompanying Confucius, Confucius said: "Why don't each of you tell me what you have your mind set on."
Andy was the first to reply, he said he wanted to be as profitable and the prestigious as the Duke of Zhou. Once he had profit and prestige, he could have all things his heart desired.
Jack, having suspected that Andy had given a poor response, said he wished to cultivate humanness by helping others to help themselves. He wanted to allow others to see how their selfishness prevented them from becoming truly human and from experiencing true joy.
Finally, Olly simply responded that he wished not to make any promises he couldn't keep but that he hoped to learn from the ancients, respect the roles he had been assigned, and care for his friends and family.
Confucius sat quietly for a moment and then said: "Andy, you have mistaken what made the Duke of Zhou so well pleased. Jack, you have said the right words but for the wrong reason. Olly, you can learn from the ancients but also from your less capable friends, see if you share any of their qualities."
Contents
Part I. The Life of Confucius
Part II. The Analects
Part III. Practices
Part IV. Further Analysis and Discussion
Links
The Analects (Oxford Classics).
Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Confucius.
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Confucius.
Confucius from the Heart, Yu Dan (Pan Macmillan).
The Great Courses, The Analects of Confucius (Audible).
Confucius: A Guide for the Perplexed, Yong Huang (Bloomsbury).
Confucianism: A Very Short Introduction, Daniel Gardner (Oxford).
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, pan, |
| 0:07.0 | Psycast! |
| 0:08.0 | Part three. Practices |
| 0:23.6 | So as we explored in part 1 and part 2, Confucius never got the position in office that he wanted. |
| 0:30.6 | And as we all know, if you can't do, teach. So we had about... |
| 0:34.6 | And if you can't teach, teach PE. |
| 0:40.2 | So Confucius had about 20 or 30 students at time. He had an open door policy, as we discussed. |
| 0:45.3 | And very much these teachings would be like Q&As with these students. |
| 0:48.7 | And those are the analects. And that's what we're reading for part two and part three, which is this week's installment. |
| 0:53.6 | We're going to look at some of the analects in practice this time round. |
| 0:58.2 | The point of the analects is to say that we need a hierarchical structure and on an individual level, |
| 1:04.6 | we should try and cultivate ren. |
| 1:07.5 | Junzi is the Chinese for someone that cultivates virtue, i. Ren, that in a goodness |
| 1:15.1 | that they're born with and makes themselves the best person they can be. Okay, brilliant. Ollie's |
| 1:19.7 | thinking, sounds really Aristotlian. I can really get my hands on this theory and craft it into |
| 1:25.1 | my own. But we're going to discuss some of the nitty-gritty this time on that. |
| 1:28.5 | So what do I actually do as a Confucian? |
| 1:32.0 | Something we have mentioned really is a lot of the philosophy which we've been doing on |
| 1:35.5 | the show, particularly over the last few months, has been more meta-ethics and like moral |
| 1:40.0 | theory rather than normative ethics, like what I should do out there in the world. |
| 1:45.6 | And this text is full of like, more for three years. |
| 1:48.5 | Don't grash you your old man. |
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