Hello, welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

My guest on today's podcast is a returning guest. He did episode one. Andy Newman, his return for episode two. Welcome to the podcast, Andy.

It is so good to be back.

Thanks for having me again, Richard.

The sequel is never as good as the original, but I'll do my best.

I think it'll be good.

Andy was on episode 846.

We'll link to that in the show notes.

He talks about his shame tour as a young LDS man growing up in the church working through

stuff, talks about being an LGBTQ ally, really moving story.

He talks about leaving the church.

And we do podcasts with people that leave the church because one of our goals, Andy, out of

the church and me in the church, is to build bridges of understanding between people that stay and people that leave.

This podcast is going to focus on mixed-faith marriages.

Andy is in a mixed-faith marriage.

His wife is active in the church, and he is going to talk about, and he professionally works in this space as a therapist.

I think a fair amount of his work is in this space as well as helping LGBTQ people. He's going to talk about understanding

your spouse that left. He's going to talk about understanding your spouse that stays. So if you're

in a mixed faith marriage or have friends there in a mixed faith marriage,

our joint hope is the things Andy shares from his personal experience as well as his clinical and academic training will be helpful to you.

I think Andy is going to talk about, you know, a baptism, his oldest daughter, I believe, was baptized

recently, and he's going to talk about how that worked out in his family. He obviously wasn't there in the water with baptizing his daughter,

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