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Episode 83: From ideology to narcotics, Hezbollah's business model, with Matt Levitt

Ask Haviv Anything

Haviv Rettig Gur

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4.91K Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

The fall 2024 Israeli operations that decimated Hezbollah’s missile arsenal and leadership structure marked a pivotal turning point for the Middle East. To understand the wreckage left behind and the organization's resilient global web that is already hard at work helping it to recover, I am joined by Matthew Levitt, one of the world’s leading experts on counterterrorism. Levitt pulls back the curtain on Hezbollah’s "Golden Rule"—the less you know, the better—and explains how a group traditionally viewed through the lens of regional militancy has transformed into a sophisticated, multi-continental criminal syndicate.


The conversation dives deep into the surprising reality of Hezbollah’s diversified portfolio, including illicit operations in Latin America and Africa. As financial support from Iran has fluctuated, Levitt details how the group has used ethical justifications to lean into organized crime to sustain its activities. We explore the implications of these global networks for regional stability the precarious future of Lebanon.


This episode was sponsored by Robert Hockett, a Rhodes scholar and professor of law and finance at Cornell University who wishes to support this podcast and this community, which, in his words, "demonstrate every day that literal truth and justice in the Middle East can be pursued and articulated both thoughtfully and civilly — without humoring or coddling, but instead gently rebuffing, both dark age bloodlust and present day blood libel.”


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Musical intro by Adam Ben Amitai.

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0:00.0

Hi everybody. Welcome to a new episode of Ask Aviv Anything. It's going to be a pretty exciting episode. I've been looking forward to it for a while. It connects a lot of the dots of the things that we've been reading about in the news from Venezuela to Lebanon to Iran. Dr. Matthew Levitt is here with me. Dr. Levitt is the Fromer Wexler Fellow at the Washington

0:23.2

Institute for Near East Policy, that's in Washington, D.C., where he directs the Institute's

0:28.4

Reinhardt Program on Counterterrorism and Intelligence. Dr. Levitt served as Deputy Assistant Secretary

0:33.6

for Intelligence and Analysis. At the U.S. Department of the Treasury, he teaches at Georgetown

0:39.0

University and at Pepperdine University School of Public Policy. It's an impressive resume. But the

0:45.2

key point here is that he is one of the go-to experts for our podcast, but also for other smaller

0:51.7

institutions like the U.S. Congress for things like Chesbalah,

0:54.9

the global reach of the organization called Chisbalah.

0:58.0

He is one of the analysts who have been tracking it, both professionally as a policy person in government

1:02.7

and as a scholar and researcher of the organization.

1:07.2

And Chisbala is a fascinating organization.

1:09.0

In some ways, it is broken by the war with Israel

1:13.2

and struggling to make a comeback and facing a lot of anger and a lot of determination in Lebanon,

1:20.2

more than we've seen in the past at least, to really prevent it from retaking control of Lebanon

1:25.0

and the way that it has been able to control large parts of

1:28.0

Lebanese politics and the Lebanese state in the past, at the same time, it has now begun

1:33.5

to adapt to that reality and to rebuild. And we're going to be asking about that and how all of that

1:39.5

works. Chisbella has a surprisingly strong and important presence in Latin America, in Africa.

1:46.1

It is, of course, very much Iranian.

1:48.4

It is an Iranian proxy that takes money from Iran, orders from Iran.

1:52.4

And so it links a lot of the dots of what happens in Venezuela, that failed state that has

1:57.4

essentially become a kind of narco-terrorist hub.

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