Episode 826: Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, New Book: “At Last She Said It”

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

My dear friends, Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, (co-founders of the “At Last She Said It Project” which includes their groundbreaking podcast—with over 200 episodes and 2+ million downloads) join us to talk about their new book. Their book invites readers to consider new perspectives, be open to changing our minds, and how growth can be uncomfortable—and how this leads to helping more fellow Latter-day Saints feel valued, welcome and how to have more belonging. The book helps us better understand patriarchy within the church and how this can cause pain for both women and men—and what we can do in our area of influence to improve. The book also addresses many other topics within the church to help us build Zion including: Discipling Obedience Fear Repentance Worthiness Cynthia's Personal Essay: “Works for Me” Susan's Personal Essay: “Metamorphosis” Speaking Up Why I Wear a Cross I’ve learned so much from these two good women about better ministering to others. I wish their podcast and book existed decades ago—it would have helped me be a better husband, father, church member—and better lift (versus sometimes add) to the burdens of others. I encourage everyone to read/share their book. Thank you, Susan and Cynthia. You two are awesome. Links: Book and podcast: atlastshesaidit.org/

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0:00.0	Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.
0:09.5	I'm really excited about this podcast with my friends Susan Hinkley and Cynthia Winward.
0:17.6	Welcome to the podcast.
0:20.0	Hello.
0:20.9	You will probably recognize these two women because winward welcome to the podcast. Thanks, Richard.
0:28.4	You will probably recognize these two women because they are the host of at last she said it podcast.
0:31.4	It's up to over 200 episodes.
0:36.8	And they have recently released a book and we'll be talking about their new book on the podcast,
0:42.6	which I've been reading this morning. And guess what the name of the title of the book is listeners at last she said it with the same branding that we've grown to love from your podcast. And the
0:49.0	subtitle is honest conversations about faith, church, and everything in between. And just in case, I'll just
0:56.4	read a little bit from Amazon as they've introduced the book there, as well as other places.
1:03.5	And Susan and Cynthia, their prior conversations before starting a podcast, often their
1:09.4	conversations ended with, why isn't anyone talking about this?
1:14.2	Someone should do a podcast, so they did.
1:17.7	And that was a while ago, and they've up into the 200-plus episodes, over 2 million downloads,
1:24.1	which is a big deal.
1:26.1	And I've enjoyed listening to other podcasts. I've learned so much from
1:30.0	Susan and Cynthia and their guests. And now I'm so excited this book is out. And the purpose of
1:36.7	Daddy's podcast is have these women on the podcast to talk about their book. And so you,
1:42.0	our listeners, can connect with it and share with others. It's a really
1:45.2	important book that's very much needed in our community. Is that okay for an introduction,
1:51.9	Cynthia and Susan? Lovely. Yeah, it's a perfect introduction. Thank you.
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