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Zach, are we recording?

Yeah, I got us up now.

All right.

So, Gary, I want to, first I want to thank you for coming on.

And I want to either thank you or blame you.

I don't know. Because, you know, you're a pretty polarizing guy. And, you know, I guess I've become a bit of a polarizing guy as well. And I really, and I've kind of hinted this before. I mean, really what set me on my path of questioning stuff was reading, you know, your book, Good Cowries, Bad Cowries, you know, so many years ago, I can't remember when it came out. I've read all of your books. But for me, that one, that first one was, was to me, you know, either the best book or the one that just was profoundly impactful on me. It's the best. Well, I mean, I think so.

But I mean, it was a very well-written book.

It was an

very well-written book. It was an interesting argument. But I think the more important thing is, is it just the effect that it has, people are saying, wait a minute, what we've been told may not necessarily be true. And the fact that we question where we get our data from. And I think there's a lot of people that are kind of waking up to the fact that

nutrition science in general is just not a very good science.

We've got a lot of problems with that.

And we sit there and try to make all these proclamations and decisions based on really

almost nothing, which I think is just kind of interesting to watch. So again, depending on the next five years go for me, I'll either thank you or blame. That's a good way to look at it. I'd go 10 years. Let's go a little long. I mean, you know, there's people out there waiting to see if I'm going to die or not. But I mean, as far as, you know, just just to see what happens. Well, this is what, you know, it's funny because I was thinking today, one of the points I'm making my new book is this absolute lack of curiosity in the nutrition, obesity research community. So they have certain beliefs, and then, you know, they're just not really curious about what's going on here.

And somebody like you, you're supposed to be dead, dude.

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