Hey, everybody, Connor Lestoka here.

This is 372 pages.

We'll never get back.

The podcast where we read books that we are not expecting to like.

We, the royal we, of course, being me and Mike Nelson,

who is joining me from his own remote location

in the most remote of the Minnesota named states.

Mike, how are you?

I am good.

It is very, very remote for all of us right now.

But I'm happy to have a lot of chapters with me. It's good to

have the, if you're going to have a book, you might as well have as many chapters as you possibly can.

It really does seem like a sitcom where someone has taken a creative writing class and the

the fictional hack teacher has sort of sat them down and just like pointed at the chalkboard

where he's just written the word chapters.

Chapters are the key, everybody.

Like, take that note down.

Thank me when you hit the New York Times bestseller list.

Yeah, I don't know what this, to what end is this?

It's the footnotes of David Foster Wallace.

Like, all right. This is starting to frustrate. You've clearly, you've chosen this as the

centerpiece. This is your, this is your metier and you're running with it. But to what end?

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