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The Literary Life Podcast

Episode 71: Phantastes, Ch. 1-4

The Literary Life Podcast

Angelina Stanford

Education, Arts, Books

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2020

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Summary

Welcome back to The Literary Life Podcast and the beginning of our series on George MacDonald's Phantastes. Before our hosts, Angelina, Cindy and Thomas begin the book chat, though, we wanted to let you know about some Advent and Christmas resources ready for the upcoming holiday season. As mentioned before, Cindy's new edition of Hallelujah: Cultivating Advent Traditions with Handel's Messiah is available now. Also, Thomas and Angelina have a sale going on for an Advent Bundle of their popular webinars, Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol and The Poetry of Advent.

Cindy shares a little about her past reading of many of MacDonald's books and the effect they had on her. Angelina and Cindy also give some pertinent biographical information about MacDonald and put him in his Victorian context. Angelina brings out the connections between Spenser's The Faerie Queene and MacDonald's Phantastes, including the questing element. In answer to Cindy's question about the German word "Maerchen", Thomas shares some ideas about what sorts of stories are included in that term.

In this discussion, Angelina points out all the big themes of fairy tales and stories in general that we see right away in this story. Cindy highlights the role of the grandmother in this and other MacDonald stories. In light of the Faerie Queene connections, Thomas wonders if there will be a true woman and a false woman in this story. Angelina and Cindy go on to explore so many more of the ideas and themes presented in these chapters. Be back next week for chapters 5-9.

Commonplace Quotes:

There is no truth, however overpowering and clear, but men may escape from it by shutting their eyes.

Cardinal John Henry Newman

Hurry is a sort of violence on the soul.

John Mark Comer

I should have been shocked in my teens if anyone had told me that what I learned to love in Phantastes was goodness. But now that I know, I there was no deception. The deception is all the other way round–in that prosaic moralism which confines goodness to the region of Law and Duty, which never lets us feel in our face the sweet air blowing from "the land of righteousness," never reveals that elusive Form which if once seen mus inevitably be desire with all but sensuous desire–the thing (in Sappho's phrase) "more gold than gold."

C. S. Lewis

Maerchen

by Walter de la Mare

Soundless the moth-flit, crisp the death-watch tick;
Crazed in her shaken arbour bird did sing;
Slow wreathed the grease adown from soot-clogged wick:
The Cat looked long and softly at the King.

Mouse frisked and scampered, leapt, gnawed, squeaked;
Small at the window looped cowled bat a-wing;
The dim-lit rafters with the night-mist reeked:
The Cat looked long and softly at the King.

O wondrous robe enstarred, in night dyed deep:
O air scarce-stirred with the Court's far junketing:
O stagnant Royalty — A-swoon? Asleep?
The Cat looked long and softly at the King.

Book List:

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The Princess and The Goblin by George MacDonald

Lilith by George MacDonald

Hallelujah by Cindy Rollins

The Christmas Stories and Poems of George MacDonald by George MacDonald

The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry by John Mark Comer

George MacDonald by C. S. Lewis

The Diary of an Old Soul by George MacDonald

At the Back of the North Wind by George MacDonald

Til We Have Faces by C. S. Lewis

A Dish of Orts by George MacDonald

Hard Times by Charles Dickens

Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert

Adam Bede by George Eliot

The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis

The Purple Island by Phineas Fletcher

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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're going to. Welcome to the literary life podcast where your hosts Angelina Stanford and Cindy Rollins, explore a life shaped by books, stories, and poetry.

0:28.0

Each week, we will rescue story from the Ivory Tower and bring it to your couch, your kitchen, and your commute.

0:35.0

The literary life is for everyone because in the words of Stratford Caldecott,

0:39.0

to be enchanted by story is to be granted a deeper insight into reality.

0:44.0

Hello and welcome to the literary life podcast.

0:50.0

I am so excited today to start this new series on George McDonald's

0:54.2

fantasties and with me are my two partners in crime my two my two what my two

1:00.6

handholders through the fairy land Thomas Banks and Sydney Rollins.

1:05.2

Good to be here as always.

1:06.7

Yes, very nice to be here.

1:08.8

Business Barbie.

1:10.5

All right, all right. Cindy is teasing me because of our Patreon meeting last night where she's trying to nickname me business Barbie.

1:18.5

That's right.

1:19.5

So you'll just have to join the Patreon to find out the backstory for that.

1:23.7

Cindy, I tried to keep it so professional this time. No blonde bombshell.

1:27.1

I know. It was perfect. That gave me a chance to come back at you. I will start calling you the beach tree you better watch it. Oh no.

1:39.0

Ouch! Okay well before we introduce this new this new, which I really am very pumped.

1:45.0

I've only read this once.

1:47.8

It was, man, almost 20 years ago,

1:50.1

so I'm very excited to revisit this, having learned a lot in those last 20 years

1:54.3

Specifically that I know a lot more Edmund Spencer now, so I think that's gonna really open up things

1:57.9

But this is Mr Banks's first read yes. Yeah, I'm uncomfortable already

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