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So what's changed permanently? I think that we've had a big discussion about the

balance between privacy and security. My sense is that that was a well-worked

peace of territory before June 1, 2013. We've got many programs that are

widely described as 2.15 and much of what essentially is the construction of

those programs demonstrates a field to the privacy as it bothers to head along the

search for security. The fact that 2.15 is restricted to terrorism does not

include identity information, doesn't include content information, can't be

used for any other purpose, any other very narrowly prescribed purposes.

That's all about the defense of privacy. What's been missing in that calculation is

what's the right contribution of transparency so that people understand the balance

between privacy and security. And then we can sustain the consent of the government

over the occasion of the summer of 2013. The consent of those who government,

my surprise in the summer of 2013, what was the broad consternation outside of

the intelligence committees about what MSA did, how it did it, and whether we were

in the same place. I'm Wells Bennett and you're listening to the law fair

podcast April 5, 2014. You just heard Chris English, the recently retired

deputy director of the National Security Agency. On Wednesday, English gave an

address at the National Security Agency at the Crossroads, a two-day conference

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