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Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Episode 681: Dan Link (Gay), Kristin Sokol (Ally), Miki Eberhardt (Ally)

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8839 Ratings

🗓️ 10 August 2023

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

My friends, this is one of the most unique and powerful podcasts we’ve ever done. I encourage ward councils, local leaders, and families to listen to this podcast to better understand how to love and support our LGBTQ neighbors and friends—and really anyone different than us. Dan Link, Kristin Sokol, and Miki Eberhart join in this episode to share a remarkable story of a ward family who learn to love and then truly show up for two gay dads in their very homogenous Herriman neighborhood. It’s a story of love, tragedy and how the power of friendship and the spirit of fellowship moved everyone closer to the Savior. Dan talks about growing up in the Church, serving a mission (in the 70’s), but never feeling accepted or normal as a gay Latter-day Saint. He shares his story about finding the love of his life in Ryan and building a life and family together. Hear their story about being invited to the Ward Trunk-or-Treat in Herriman, Utah. This event, led to Dan and Ryan being curious about what attending church would be like. Dan shares the journey with health challenges his husband Ryan faced and the unwavering ward love and support they received in that time, including seven months of meals that were delivered while Ryan was in the hospital during 2020. Ryan passed away on July 25, 2021, and the ward continued to rally around them, fully participating in Ryan’s Celebration Of Life in the local ward building. Dan talks about his loving Bishop who asked him to serve as the Ward Librarian and how it led to a full return to church activity. Dan talks about doing the Temple proxy work for Ryan (including baptizing their son for Ryan). Dan talks about his continued love for Ryan and how much he misses him and feels peace and hope for their ability to be together again. Miki Eberhardt, a Stake Relief Society President in another Herriman Utah Stake, heard this story from her friend Kristin Sokol who is in Dan’s ward. After hearing about this modern miracle, Miki felt impressed to share Dan’s story in her series of Ward Conference talks. She talks about how loving our neighbor is easy when we believe the same things, cheer for the same sports teams—but counts that only as preschool discipleship. Real discipleship is when we figure out how to love our neighbor when they are nothing like us. Kristin Sokol, Dan’s longtime friend and neighbor, talks firsthand about how this miracle unfolded in her homogenous Herriman neighborhood and ward family and her love for the Link Family. Thank you, Dan, Miki, and Kristin, for being on the podcast. You are all awesome! Links: Ministering to LGBTQ Latter-day Saints Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143 Richard Ostler Book: Embracing LGBTQ Latter-day Saints: Deseret Book: deseretbook.com/p/listen-learn-and-love-embracing-lgbtq-latter-day-saints?variant_id=189035-paperback Amazon: amazon.com/dp/1462135773 Index of Podcasts: listenlearnandlove.org/podcasts

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0:00.0

Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

0:09.3

Every one of these episodes is different.

0:11.6

Every story is different.

0:12.9

This is a really unique story.

0:16.2

I have three people in my home, two women and a man.

0:20.2

I'll introduce the man first. Dan Link,

0:23.8

welcome to the podcast, Dan. Thank you. Dan is gay. He's active Latter-day Saint. He was married,

0:33.4

is married, to his husband, Ryan, who died. So I'm going to use that you are still married because

0:39.2

if that's okay, because this marriage hasn't ended. He has passed away. You're the father of three

0:46.2

kids. And part of this story is Dan grew up in the church, served a mission, and then felt his

0:53.3

best path was to find a partner. And this is a

0:55.9

beautiful love story of Dan and Ryan, 18 years together. Ryan got sick and passed away.

1:03.0

And part of the story is their ward and herriman just loving Dan and Ryan and bringing them food

1:09.0

and supporting them and loving them.

1:12.1

And Ryan has since passed away and Dan felt his next best path was returned to the church.

1:18.1

He's active in the church.

1:19.3

He's raising his three sons or their three sons in the church.

1:23.7

And we'll talk about that journey, including doing temple work for Ryan and just this beautiful,

1:30.6

unique story out of a ward in Harriman.

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I don't want to give away the whole story, so I'll just move on.

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Then we have two wonderful women that are friends, and actually we're in the same ward in

1:43.0

heron, but due to ward divisions and stake divisions, they're're in the same ward in hermen but due to ward divisions and stake

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