Hi, I'm Mark Devere, and welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

Nine Marks exists to equip church leaders with the biblical vision and practical resources

for building healthy churches, learn more at nine marks.org. And we're having this

special visual presentation, not as my idea, but in celebration of a new book by Jonathan Lehman

called The Rule of Love. And our special guest today is none other than Dr. Jonathan David

Lehman. Dr. Lehman, thank you for being with us today. Yes, thank you, Mark.

Thank you for writing this book.

Yeah.

Jonathan, one of the main reason I want to thank you for writing this book is because the

church and the surprising offense of God's love, which is the parent of this book.

Correct.

Is, I think, one of the most important books that Nine Marks has produced.

But it's also very long.

It is long.

And so a series of interns gave me a version of my book called The Church and the

Surprising Offense of the Length of This Book on the cover.

Well, you know the interns.

As interns do.

You know the interns.

They do silly things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But this, because it's only, what, a third the link to that book, has nothing new in it.

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