Episode 648: Richard E. Turley Jr. & Barbara Jones Brown

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2023

⏱️ 100 minutes

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My friends Richard Turley and Barbara Jones Brown, noted Latter-day Saint historians, join us to talk about their powerful new book about the Mountain Meadows Massacre of an Arkansas wagon train in 1857. Through their extensive research, they answer questions about why it happened, who was responsible, Bigham Young’s understanding/involvement, descendants of victims stories/interactions, and reconciliation. I was deeply moved—sometimes to tears—learning about this tragic part of Latter-day Saint history. Understanding and owning our history is key to reconciliation and ensuring the same cycle of fear and extremism isn’t repeated. I am so grateful for Rick and Barbara and their work to write this history, connect with the descendants of the victims, and help heal hearts. This book is both a thoughtful academic book and a powerful story of pain, heartache, tragedy, and reconciliation. I encourage everyone to read this book and listen to this podcast. Thank you Rick and Barbara for being on the podcast and your much-needed work in our community. Podcast links: Vengeance is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath: www.amazon.com/dp/0195397851 Massacre at Mountain Meadows (earlier book): www.amazon.com/dp/0199747563 E-mail: [email protected]

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0:00.0	Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.
0:08.8	My guest on today's podcast to talk about a new book that they've co-written is
0:13.4	I'm Richard E. Turley and Barbara Jones Brown. Welcome to the podcast, you two.
0:19.3	Thank you, Richard.
0:20.6	Thank you. It's really an honor to join you on you two. Thank you, Richard. Thank you.
0:21.2	It's really an honor to join you on this podcast.
0:24.9	Listeners, I think Mountain Meadows Massacre is a really important topic in our faith.
0:30.4	And I'll just tell you what I know about it, and I don't know too much about it.
0:35.4	I'm in my 60s, and this story has been around me my whole life,
0:39.1	and I knew it was a tragedy that happened. I now learned 1857. I've always been a little foggy on who was at fault.
0:48.4	I knew a Latter-day Saint was executed for his role. I've never quite understood Brigham Young's role. I've never
0:55.7	quite understood the Paiute Indians role. I recognize that Elder Iring issued an apology in 27,
1:03.4	and those are memorial connected. So I kind of the foggy details I'm aware, I don't know the
1:10.6	political context for what happened
1:12.6	and why it happened and maybe you're like me, maybe you know less or more, but this is a chance
1:18.7	to really learn about the Mountain Meadows massacre from two what I would call brilliant
1:24.1	LDS historians that have spent decades on LDS history and understanding
1:32.3	exactly what happened at the Madels Mountain Meadows Massacre. So the name of the book
1:41.6	that we're going to talk about is Mountain Middle Massacre and its
1:44.8	aftermath.
1:45.6	And the co-authors, as I mentioned, are Richard E. Turley, will call him Rick in this podcast,
1:50.6	and Barbara Jones Brown, two people that I deeply admire and respect.
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