You see this played out over and over again, all kinds of forgiveness, grace for the man who goes astray,

very ready to quickly forgive and forget and place him back in positions of power.

For women, for victims, who try to hold men to account, who try to say, actually, this is a bigger

problem. It's systemic. Hey, there's a theological problem here.

We need to address this.

They are the ones who are demonized, sometimes literally demonized, driven out of their communities.

They face vicious attacks.

It is horrifying to see what they go through.

And then you see it on the political stage as well.

So much forgiveness

for men who have gone astray, for men who assault women. And in the current administration,

right, there are many examples of this. Yep. And does not diminish evangelical love of them at all.

Hello, I'm Adrienne Dodd.

And no more or Dodd again.

And whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right.

So, Adrienne, our longtime listeners will know that here on in Bill with the Right, we've been working with our little, like, private, informal taxonomy of right-wing masculinities. We talk a lot about the perverts, the men who construct

their masculinity around, like, these, you know, vulgar demonstrations of, like, public dominance

over women and over other men. I'd put, like, Donald Trump on that camp. And then we've got the guys we call the creeps who we've been talking about a lot lately.

And that's this like constellation of insecure like nerds.

These guys like often understand themselves as the enlightened architects of like this dystopian future.

Right.

And I put like Elon Musk in the creep camp.

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