Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

This is sometimes and oftentimes a really sacred place where a guest steps forward and shares,

sometimes a really painful and difficult life story and doing that with the hope that will help others that are walking a similar road and those of us that want to support people that are dealing with immense tragedy and grief.

And with that sort of background, I'll introduce my guest joining us from her home in Nashville, Tennessee, Julie Clough.

Welcome to the podcast, Julie.

Thank you. So excited to be here and have this discussion with you today. About two or three,

four weeks ago, I checked Facebook first thing in the morning. It's something I tried not to do. And there

was your post. And it talked about a little bit of your story. And I just

felt impressed to include your story in our next book that's coming out in the fall of

2023 and also to have you on the podcast so that more could connect with your work. Julie's a

mom of married mom of six kids, 11 grandkids. But two of those kids died in a car crash on Mother's Day in 2007,

which was also your birthday weekend. And you were driving and fell asleep and two children died. It's

sort of your worst nightmare as a mom. And you felt, and so Julie's going to share her

story. She's written a book. We'll talk about the book she's written. She has a podcast with 177 episodes.

He has an Instagram account called Build a Life After Loss. We'll talk about that. We'll link to this

all on the show notes, but our prayers,

this will help you if you're dealing with sort of immense grief and tragedy, or there's

somebody in your family circle walking this road and you want to do the right thing to help them.

And Julie, this is not theoretical, unfortunately, for you. It's real life. And with that, I'll turn it over to you to just start if that's okay for an introduction.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, like you said, we have six children. We actually have a little unusual route to six children. My husband and I were both previously married. I had three

children that I brought to our marriage. This year is our 30th anniversary. And so I had three

children, then we married, and then we had three more children, and we were raising all six

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