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I'm excited to be having a conversation with someone when they have that revolution.

It's making the show pretty huge.

You mean you could get a good if you have a source for it?

Yeah, the telegraph.

From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

Today we're going to do a kind of status check on progressive politics.

We'll hear from the director of move on.org about how that group

is responding to the challenge of Donald Trump. And I'll talk with some of the New Yorkers' best

political thinkers about the successes and failures of Barack Obama's presidency as it draws to a close.

But there's more to life than politics even now,

so we're going to start off with Christmas.

Christmas Days is the title of a new book of stories and recipes for the holiday,

and its author might surprise you.

Jeanette Winterson has been writing for 30 years about feminism,

queer identity, sex, and class,

and she's written novels and essays and a memoir

with the simply unbeatable title

of Why Be Happy When You Could Be Normal?

The New Yorker's fiction editor, Deborah Treisman,

sat down with Winterson to talk about the new book.

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