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no bull and the aftermath. You frequently hear from the media that the

administration's willingness to prosecute people who leak information is having a

chilling effect on the willingness of their sources to come forward. But you

read in the newspaper, you read classified information that comes out in the

newspaper every day. Does that mean there is no chilling effect or simply that

it's something that's very hard to measure and report upon? And I think it's a

little bit of the same thing. We know that we are seeing adversaries who are

noting the press stories and suggesting that they ought to change their

communications. We don't know what communications we're not seeing anymore and

we don't know what the impact is going to be of failure to intercept those

communications. I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast. That was

the Estimable Robert Lit General Counsel to the Director of National

Intelligence and one of the federal government's point people on the Snowden

Mass. Lit came by the Brookings Institution on Monday to talk about

implementation of the changes announced in President Obama's big speech on NSA

reform. We talked about the current state of play and the politics and policy of

signals intelligence in the wake of the speech. We talked about privacy and what

it means for the US government to recognize privacy rights in overseas espionage

against non-US citizens. We talked about the big questions the President's

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