We're back with another episode of Startups for the rest of us. I'm Rob Walling. This is episode

574, and this week we're back talking to a founder who just couldn't get away from software.

He's a software developer turned podcaster, turned marketer, and now he's a software entrepreneur.

He's the founder of Lassow at getlasso.com, which is affiliate management software for WordPress websites.

The founder is Andrew Feebert, and he co-founded the business with his wife, Laura, back in 2019.

And I really enjoyed my conversation with Andrew because of the path that he followed,

and it was so not predictable, to watch him be a software

developer by day, and then to start a podcast about personal finance, almost on an accident,

and then to have such success with that that it rolled him into his next thing and his next

thing, and he just keeps reinventing himself. But before we dive in to my conversation with Andrew,

I wanted to let you know that the State of Independence SAS survey is live once again.

This is our third annual survey, and we will have the report ready in just a couple of months.

We usually present that at the end of January.

But if you haven't heard of the State of Independent Sass or haven't

participated, or if you have, we'd really love for you to take about eight minutes, maybe 10,

if you sip your coffee while you're taking the survey, head over to state ofindysass.com,

and we will have a link there where you can get to the survey. It's about, it depends on the

path and the choices you make during the survey or the answers you give, but it's can get to the survey. It's about, it depends on the path and the choices

you make during the survey or the answers you give, but it's about 30 to 40 questions. And it

should be things that you know off the top of your head, how many founders do you have, what's

your MRI, that kind of stuff. It's all anonymous. And we put this survey together to help the

community, the bootstrapped, mostly bootstrapped SaaS founders that we're calling

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