Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Marianne Sullivan. And this is Jasmine Singer. Thanks so much for joining us this week. Jasmine's going to be talking to a woman who is just truly beloved in this movement. If you're not familiar with her, you're going to be so happy

you listened. Joanne McArthur takes pictures of animals. That's the short version. And the long

version is that she really is one of the most important sources of information about what is

happening to animals in the very darkest corners of the globe. I don't know how she does what she does, but I'm so glad she does it.

And animals who would otherwise remain hidden are the subjects of her photographs.

And hidden is actually the title of her new book, which she will be talking about with Jasmine.

And this is an amazing, amazing woman.

And we're so happy to have her join us again on our henhouse.

This week on the bonus segment, you'll be hearing more of my conversation with Joe. As always, if you're a flock member,

you'll get a link to the bonus segment in your email on the Tuesday after this episode goes up,

or you can always find it on the flock Facebook group. And if you're not a member of the flock yet,

and you can afford it,

you can join for $10 a month at our henhouse.org slash donate. Also, we're continuing our

COVID time feature of flock Friday Zoom calls. They're at 4 p.m. Eastern on, obviously on Fridays.

That's what we call them Flok Friday. They're really, really so, so good. So if you're a member of the flock, please check out the flock Facebook group for updates. Or you can always write to us at info at our henhouse.org. You can always write to us about that, which is to say hi, or I don't know, just to shoot the shit.

I was able to shoot the shit this past weekend with some animals and they're very good listeners.

And, you know, they know a lot about shit.

They do.

Both of those things are true.

I am so happy to live near Catskill Animal Sanctuary and I was able to go visit some animals at Catsgale

Animal Sanctuary. Are they doing visits or did you get a special privilege? Well, both. I got like a

special Kathy Stevens, our friend Kathy showed me around. But also in addition to that, I think that

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