Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer.

And this is Marianne Sullivan.

Thank you so much for joining us this week. We love this episode. We think you will too.

Marianne will be interviewing the wonderful and brilliant Stephanie Boyos Griffin of the Botseber Institute

for Wildlife Fertility Control and of the Humane Society of the United States. And they will be

discussing some of the problems faced around the world by animals who for whatever reason are

considered overpopulated. And some of the things that should be done when that happens,

which includes not automatically assuming there is actually a problem. I love that. I love that

that. Yeah, that was the point that she really made over and over again that, yeah, there are

scientific, maybe not solutions, but scientific approaches here. But this is really so often just a political

or social problem where people think there's a problem, people think animals are a problem. They're

not actually a problem. Yeah. Yeah. On the bonus segment, you'll be hearing more of my

conversation with Stephanie. And of course, if you're a flock member, you'll get a link to the

bonus segment in your email on this Tuesday after this podcast goes up. You can always find it on the flock Facebook group. If you're not a member of the flock and you can afford it, you can join for $10 a month at our handhouse.org slash donate. Also, as a COVID time feature, we're doing our flock Friday Zoom calls at 4 p.m. Eastern on Fridays. They're so good. Last week, we had filmmaker Liz Marshall, who you recently heard on the Arhan House podcast as our special guest. And our flock, who joined us for that flock Friday, had so many wonderful questions for her.

She was so generous with her time.

And these are really cool Friday afternoon events.

So I hope you join us.

If you're a member of the flock, check out the flock Facebook group for updates or write to us at info at our henhouse.org.

So before we get to the interview, I wanted to tell you that I, you know,

I moved recently from Los Angeles to upstate New York. And for the time being, anyway, I'm in

this like rural town, which even though I'm only a half hour from you, it's sort of a different

landscape. And it's, it feels kind of conservative up

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