Yesterday, I guess Israel Katz, the Minister of War Department in Israel.

He was angry about Iran deploying a weapon that they had apparently, it was the first time they hadn't even tested it yet.

And he said, and this should give you an insight into their mentality.

He said, we are not Gaza for you to test your weapons

on. Just start to unpack that for a minute, to understand the mentality, not just the mentality

behind that, but the mentality that thinks you can say that out loud, and everybody will understand and accept it.

So I see these people. I know them.

I know them well.

And I am telling you that I do not tell a lie when I say they are demonic. It's such an enormous gift to be joined today by Susan Abelawa, a Palestinian-American scientist, writer, and activist.

She wrote Mornings in Jenin, The Blue Between Sky and Water and Against the Loveless World.

She's also the author of a new children's book.

We'll be talking about a little bit later.

Unfortunately, what has brought us together today is what happens very often in this world,

it seems, which is an internet dust up this time provoked by New York mayors or Mamdani being asked a question

about some of your tweets that was provoked by the fact that his wife, Rama, did illustrations

for a compilation that you had put together. Susan, welcome to Bad Faith Podcast. I'm so glad to have you here.

Help us understand why it is that you found yourself in the middle of one of these

near post-driven firestorms over the past few days. First of all, thanks for having me,

Brianna. I love your show. So the first I saw of this was, like I said in my response,

I came home from an Iftar dinner with a friend and my phone was blowing up.

I didn't really, you know, I was tired.

But I checked Twitter and somebody had posted his response during that press conference.

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