Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Marianne Sullivan.

And this is Jasmine Singer.

Thank you so much for joining us this week. I really think you're going to be happy. You did.

Jasmine's going to be interviewing two women who are truly changing the way we look at animal advocacy.

Brooke Haggerty and Joe Anderson will be here to talk about phonolitics,

which is an organization that is really professionalizing the animal protection movement

and helping people help animals by providing essential research and resources

to be more effective and save more animal lives.

I just love this idea

that we're getting serious. Yeah. We're not just saying, I mean, you would think that it would

be enough to just say, but they're animals. Like, we shouldn't be mean to them, but it's not.

Right. We need facts. We need data, we need all that stuff.

And there's a lot more to this interview, which really was so cool that I just kept going on and on.

So it's a longer one.

And so we need to keep this top of the show on the shorter side to get to this interview

so much great information. We talk a lot about not only the importance of inclusivity within the

animal protection movement, but also how there's actually data to back that up now. So I think

things might be starting to change in that realm. And the people I'm interviewing today

are really two of the people who are spearheading the like science based aspect to it, Brooke and Joe.

And they're also joining me again on the bonus segment and we'll be talking to them about how they

got started down this sort of like nerd route, which is a really

cool story too. So if you're a member of the flock, you'll get a link to the bonus segment in your

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