Welcome back to startups for the rest of us. I'm your host, Rob Walling, every week on this show.

We cover topics related to building and growing ambitious yet sane startups. We look at building companies, not as, I don't know, a vanity project, a way to get power and status in the world, but we think about it as a way to improve our lives, to bring us freedom and purpose and allow us to

maintain healthy relationships. It's not about being a total bootstrapper. It's not about

raising buckets of venture funding. It's about being capital efficient and building a company

that serves perhaps multiple purposes rather than just being an IPO in 10 years, but that actually changes our

lives or those around us. Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for joining me again today.

We're going to be covering bootstrapper news today with Tracy Osborne. I'm excited to talk about it.

We have some pretty interesting stories, actually. Stack Overflow was acquired for $1.8 billion came as a total surprise to me.

Just a few minutes prior to recording this, Maas was acquired. We talk about people quitting instead of giving up remote work.

And we wrap up the episode by talking about remote work and remote retreats. And if you are a remote team, how often to think about getting together.

We also talk about a few highlights from our 2020 batch of founders and talk about what we feel like went well with that.

And that kind of dovetails into the whole remote conversation of not being able to get together for retreats during this batch year and how that we feel like

that impacted us and perhaps, you know, the cohesion of the batch itself. And today I'm talking

these topics through with Tracy Osborne. She's Tracy Makes on Twitter. And of course, she is the

managing director of Tiny Seed and author of Hello Web Design. Within the first few minutes of us chatting, you'll get to

see that book hot off the presses. She had self-published it and then later went through a publisher

and has a nice hardcover copy. So with that, let's dive into today's show. Tracy Osborne,

thanks for joining me. Yeah, happy to be back. Last time you were on, you were talking

about your book, Hello, Web Design. Before that, we did a bootstrapper news episode. You're getting

the book out. Yeah, is that a physical hard copy, hardcover of your book? Yeah, it is a hardcover.

The publishing company wanted to up the quality of it. So apologies to anyone who's listening

in an audio format.

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