Episode 544: Casey Newton and Kevin Roose

Longform

Education, Arts, Books, News

4.7 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 2 August 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Casey Newton writes the Platformer newsletter. Kevin Roose is a technology columnist for The New York Times. Together they co-host the podcast Hard Fork. CN: “People actually like to be a little bit confused. They like listening to things where people are talking about things they don’t quite understand, which was very counterintuitive to me. I think a lot of editor-types would scoff at, but I’ve come around.” KR: “We can revisit subjects and we do. We can change our minds. Print pieces feel so permanent, they feel so definitive. Podcasts, we can just sort of say, ‘I don't know what to make of this, ask me again in a month.’” Show notes: @CaseyNewton @kevinroose cnewton.org kevinroose.com Newton on Longform Roose on Longform Longorm Podcast #337: Casey Newton Longform Podcast #81: Kevin Roose Newton and Roose’s Hard Fork archive Newton’s Platformer archive Roose’s New York Times archive 3:00 Newton’s Verge archive 7:00 “Elon’s X Machina, Crypto Orbs, and a Visit to Google’s Robot Lab” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • July 2023) 12:00 Huberman Lab (Andrew Huberman • Huberman Lab • 2023) 14:00 Rabbit Hole (Roose • New York Times • 2020) 25:00 Futureproof (Roose • Random House • 2022) 29:00 “ChatGPT Transforms a Classroom and Is ‘M3GAN’ Real?” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • Jan 2023) 29:00 “Dario Amodei, C.E.O. of Anthropic, on the Paradoxes of A.I. Safety and Netflix’s ‘Deep Fake Love Story’” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • July 2023) 31:00 “Google C.E.O. Sundar Pichai on Bard, A.I. ‘Whiplash’ and Competing with ChatGPT” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • March 2023) 31:00 “Mr. Altman Goes to Washington and Casey Goes on This American Life” (Newton and Roose • New York Times • May 2023) 44:00 “Aided by A.I. Language Models, Google’s Robots Are Getting Smart” (Roose • New York Times • July 2023) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to the long form podcast. I'm Aaron Lammer. I'm here with my co-hosts Evan Ratliffe and Max Linsky. Greetings, Aaron. Evan, you look like you went on a bender last night.
0:22.0	No. How do I say this? You look terrible. Sadly, that's not even true. Aaron, you look great. Who's on the show this week?
0:35.0	On the show this week, two repeat guests joining forces for a joint episode. You may remember from this very program.
0:46.0	Casey Newton and Kevin Russe. Casey, of course, runs the platformer newsletter. Kevin is a technology columnist for the New York Times.
0:57.0	And together they do the podcast hard fork, which the New York Times also puts out. I've been a fan of both of their writings for feels like going on a decade.
1:08.0	I kind of want to talk to them about like what happens when you take careers that were forged in various kinds of writing and pour it into a podcast with another person who's been doing this for a long time also.
1:22.0	Some of the like kind of nuts and bolts stuff of doing a podcast that comes out at a weekly cadence about events that are unfolding very quickly and go stale very quickly.
1:34.0	And also some of the balance between like recapping what happened for people and commenting about what happened. All topics I'm interested in great conversation.
1:46.0	I'm excited for this one because I've enjoyed that podcast when I've listened to it. And also I've thought to myself while listening to it. Man, I kind of wish Aaron was on this podcast.
1:56.0	There's a big reveal about what the original concept for the show was that you will find entertaining. I won't I won't spoil it for the listeners.
2:03.0	You're going to have to listen to get to that donut later in the episode.
2:07.0	Our show is brought to you in partnership with Vox and we thank them. And now here's Aaron with Casey Newton and Kevin Reuss.
2:16.0	Welcome back to the podcast, Casey Newton and Kevin Reuss.
2:26.0	Hey Aaron. Thanks so much for having us.
2:28.0	I didn't look up how long it's been since you've each been on the podcast, but it's definitely been a while like close to a decade maybe for Kevin.
2:37.0	And the great thing is that you've both been on this podcast before we don't have to talk about like where you grew up and stuff like that.
2:44.0	We can just talk purely about podcasting because since the last time you were both on this show, Casey, were you at Buzzfeed at that time?
2:53.0	I was at the verge. I think it was 2019. Yeah.
2:56.0	2019. Okay. I apologize. The verge. Kevin, I think you had like a book out subsequent to that.
3:02.0	You came together to form a tech coverage super group. I call it KRCN.
3:11.0	But people maybe know it as the hard fork podcast, put out by the New York Times.
3:16.0	And I want to talk about that because I don't think either of you were podcasting back in the day.
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