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Episode 542: Peter Shamshiri

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Education, Arts, Books, News

4.71.9K Ratings

🗓️ 19 July 2023

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Peter Shamshiri is a lawyer and co-host of the podcast 5-4. “Because of the nature of law, I think a lot of journalists find it hard to take a position—or to sort of tip their hand about what they actually believe—because so much of the discourse around how law should operate is about neutrality and the general perspective that the law is non-partisan, non-ideological. I think the result is media coverage that is particularly lacking in those regards. And that's where we swoop in.” Show notes: @The_Law_Boy 5-4 (Prologue Projects) 02:00 "Writer Evan Ratliff Tried to Vanish: Here's What Happened" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Nov 2009) 04:00 Mic Dicta 14:00 "Bush v. Gore" (Prologue Projects • Feb 2020) 14:00 "Emergency Episode: RNC v. DNC" (Prologue Projects • Apr 2020) 15:00 "Emergency Episode: Roe Is Overturned" (Prologue Projects • Jun 2022) 16:00 "The Thomas/Crow Affair" (Prologue Projects • Apr 2023) 25:00 "The Hosts of ‘5-4’ Never Trusted the Supreme Court" (Reggie Ugwu • New York Times • Jul 2022) 37:00 Slow Burn (Prologue Projects) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the long form podcast.

0:12.3

I'm Aaron Lammer here with my co-host Max Linsky and Evan Ratliffe.

0:16.7

Hello.

0:17.7

Aaron.

0:18.7

Just lovely to see you guys, absolutely lovely to see you.

0:22.8

Aaron, who'd you talk to for the show this week?

0:25.8

This week on the show, I talked to Peter Shamsheri, who is one of the hosts of the 5V4 podcast,

0:33.6

which is about the Supreme Court.

0:37.1

I guess I was interested in talking to him.

0:39.2

It's like, they've done a lot of episodes, they're really interesting.

0:43.8

It's kind of a hangout show, as opposed to, I would say, the majority of the podcasters

0:49.1

we've had on here are people doing kind of more serial reported narratives.

0:54.2

They are reacting, in real time, to the decisions of the Supreme Court, as well as going

1:00.6

into the history of the Supreme Court and previous decisions, which are building on current

1:05.5

decisions.

1:06.5

Peter is a lawyer.

1:08.0

He was an anonymous lawyer when the show started, ended up losing his job as a lawyer,

1:14.8

as a result of doing the show.

1:17.5

So I kind of wanted to talk to him also about like turning the thing that you're really

1:21.9

into.

1:22.9

He's your profession into a weekly chat show and what that entails, what it means for

1:29.5

your life, and what it's like doing this over time, as you know, you go through multiple

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