Episode 516: A Boomer and a Millennial on the Future of the Church with Nancy Beach & Samantha Beach Kiley
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.6 • 4.1K Ratings
🗓️ 6 July 2022
⏱️ 88 minutes
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Summary
Although the Religious Right is on a winning streak at the Supreme Court, data shows it’s losing in the court of public opinion. Gallop reports more Americans than ever no longer believe in God, and only a minority of Americans share the political and cultural beliefs of conservative evangelicals. The Holy Post crew responds to a Jesuit priest’s article wondering if overturning Roe was worth the costs, and congresswoman Lauren Boebert says the church should be running the government. But which church does she have in mind? Then Skye talks to mother and daughter, Nancy Beach and Samantha Beach Kiley, about their book “Next Sunday: An Honest Dialogue About the Future of the Church.” Nancy pioneered the seeker-driven megachurch movement at Willow Creek, but also experienced its toxicity and collapse. Her daughter, Samantha, is now a pastor seeking to apply the lessons—both positive and negative—from her megachurch upbringing to a new generation. Plus, the New York Supreme Court makes a jumbo ruling.
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News Segment
0:00 - Intro
2:21 - Christian’s travelogue and other updates
5:45 - Happy the Elephant
14:03 - More SCOTUS rulings
23:27 - Christian Right losing in public opinion
30:38 - Costs of overturning Roe
46:07 - Americans’ belief in God is dropping
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Interview with Nancy Beach and Samantha Beach Kiley
“Next Sunday: An Honest Dialogue About the Future of the Church” - https://amzn.to/3nHnA68
Nancy Beach - http://www.nancylbeach.com/
Samantha Beach Kiley - www.samanthabeach.work
56:04 - Relevance and trust
1:03:24 - Beyond content delivery
1:08:02 - Experiencing other traditions
1:10:59 - Blind spots and overcorrecting
1:18:00 - Church leadership culture
1:27:42 - Credits
Articles referenced in news segment:
“Happy the elephant is not a person, New York’s highest court rules” - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/happy-the-elephant-is-not-a-person-new-yorks-highest-court-rules
“The Christian Right is winning in court while losing in public opinion” (NPR) - https://www.npr.org/2022/07/01/1109141110/the-christian-right-is-winning-cultural-battles-while-public-opinion-disagrees
“What has the demise of Roe v. Wade cost the Catholic Church?” by Thomas Reese (Religion News Service) - https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/what-has-demise-roe-v-wade-cost-catholic-church
“Poll: Americans’ belief in God is dropping” - https://religionnews.com/2022/06/21/poll-americans-belief-in-god-is-dropping/
Resource mentioned in interview:
“The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters” by Priya Parker - https://amzn.to/3akrxui
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome, Holy Posters. On today's episode, new data from Gallup reports that more Americans than |
| 0:05.7 | ever no longer believe in God. And a minority of Americans share the political and cultural views |
| 0:11.1 | of conservative evangelicals. So even though the religious right has been winning in the Supreme Court, |
| 0:16.5 | it seems to be losing in the court of public opinion. We respond to a Jesuit priest's article |
| 0:21.8 | wondering if the overturning of Roe was really worth the cost. And when a congresswoman said that |
| 0:26.9 | the church should be running the government, which church exactly does she have in mind? Then I |
| 0:32.0 | interview Nancy Beach and her daughter Samantha Beach Kylie about their new book, Next Sunday, |
| 0:37.2 | an honest dialogue about the future of the church. All of that, plus the New York Supreme Court, |
| 0:42.6 | makes a jumbo ruling. Before we get into the episode, a reminder that we have bonus material |
| 0:48.7 | available for our Patreon supporters. And this week, the bonus material is a brand new episode of |
| 0:54.4 | Christian asks where Christian Taylor and I talk about my new devotional series about the cross |
| 0:59.9 | and how it relates to what we're learning about the insurrection on January 6th. Believe it or |
| 1:05.2 | not, there is a connection and it's really fascinating. So you'll definitely want to hear that. |
| 1:09.2 | If you are not yet a Patreon supporter, today's a great data sign up. Go to HolyPost.com and |
| 1:14.7 | click the support us button. You'll get access to bonus materials, bonus interviews with some of our |
| 1:19.7 | guests, special shows like Christian asks and getting schooled by Caitlin Chess, plus exclusive |
| 1:25.7 | merchandise, special offers, and the HolyPost Book Club. So go sign up today at HolyPost.com and |
| 1:32.3 | click the support us button. Okay, here is episode 516. Hey there, this is Phil. Welcome back to |
| 1:38.7 | the HolyPost podcast. I'm here with Skygitani. Hi Sky. Hello Phil. And Christian Taylor's back. |
| 1:45.9 | Hey Christian. Hey Phil, good to see you. Good to see you too. Welcome back. You're back in your |
| 1:51.3 | orange pod. I'm in my multi-colored pod and Sky is beaming in from the Death Star. Yes I am. Yeah. |
| 1:58.5 | We got a lot to talk about. So now it's time for the theme song. Okay Christian, what we just |
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