Episode 514: How Politics Poisoned the Evangelical Church with Drew Dyck & David Kinnaman

The Holy Post

Phil Vischer

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🗓️ 22 June 2022

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Summary

A recent article in the Atlantic reveals how the political polarization in the United States is now tearing evangelical churches apart. And Marvin Olasky, the former editor of World Magazine, writes about the dramatic change he witnessed among evangelicals over his long career. Drawing from thousands of letters he received, Olasky concludes, “The Republican party platform has become more important than the gospel for many who identify as evangelicals.” Special guest co-host Drew Dyck joins Phil and Skye to discuss the articles. Then, president of Barna research, David Kinnaman, is back with more stats to unpack. With a record number of pastors thinking seriously about quitting, and political polarization listed among the top reasons, Kinnaman says the church is facing a crisis of discipleship. He believes we need a political theology that’s rooted in the gospel rather than partisanship. But is it too late? Also this week, fear over climate change is making progressives question the morality of having kids. And, South Korean college students are flush with cash.

News Segment
0:00 - Intro
4:24 - News of the Butt
9:54 - Climate change and having kids
20:15 - How politics poisoned the evangelical church
30:47 - Evangelical Christianity in the age of Trump

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Barna Brief with David Kinnaman
1:00:14 - Barna Brief intro
1:01:32 - Data on pastors considering quitting
1:04:23 - Reason 1: Stress of job
1:06:20 - Reason 2: Loneliness
1:09:54 - Reason 3: Political division
1:21:05 - Good news in this data?
1:29:42 - Credits

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News segment links:

“South Korean Toilet Allows Students to Pay With Their Poop” - https://interestingengineering.com/south-korean-toilet-allows-students-to-pay-with-their-poop

“Your Kids are Not Doomed” by Ezra Klein (NYT Opinion) -https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/opinion/climate-change-should-you-have-kids.html

Andrew Walker tweet - https://twitter.com/andrewtwalk/status/1534136018269614081?s=20&t=Hvg_G52SvOYW0k8HIoNQRQ

“How Politics Poisoned the Evangelical Church” by Tim Alberta (The Atlantic) - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/06/evangelical-church-pastors-political-radicalization/629631/

“The Sixty Years’ War: Evangelical Christianity in the Age of Trump” by Marvin Olasky (National Review) - https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2022/06/27/the-sixty-years-war-evangelical-christianity-in-the-age-of-trump/

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Holy Post. A recent article in the Atlantic by Tim Alberta reveals how the political polarization in the country is now tearing evangelical churches apart.
0:10.2	And Marvin Olaski, the former editor of World magazine, says that as he's watched evangelicals over the last 30 years,
0:17.1	he's concluded that there's no question that party politics for many of them has become far more important than the gospel.
0:23.9	Because Caitlin and Christian are both still in Europe, Drew Dick is joining me in Phil to discuss these articles and what all the political polarization means for the future of the church.
0:33.9	Then we have another edition of Barnabreeps with David Kiniman, who shares new statistics about the staggering number of pastors who are seriously thinking about quitting the ministry.
0:43.4	A big reason? Political polarization. David shares the latest numbers and offers some wisdom about how to go forward.
0:50.6	All of that plus climate change is making some progressives question the morality of having kids and South Korean college students are flush with cash.
1:00.1	Before we jump into today's episode, a quick note to our Patreon supporters. We have a bunch of content exclusive to Patreon supporters of the Holy Post, things like bonus interviews with our guests.
1:11.8	We have two additional shows that we do regularly for Patreon. One called Christian asks, where Christian Taylor talks to me about questions about the Bible, and a brand new show called Getting Schooled by Caitlin Chess.
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1:47.3	Okay, here is episode 514.
1:49.8	Hey there, welcome back to the Holy Post Podcast. This is Phil Vissier. I am here with Skyjitani again. Hi, Sky.
1:57.3	You sound surprised. Like I don't go away. I just keep turning up.
2:00.8	Again, Sky, well, we've had so many, you know, we've had a lot of changing faces over the last few weeks, but Skyjitani is a constant.
2:11.8	Like the sound he's smiling. And we got Drew Dick. Hi Drew.
2:16.8	Hey, how are you? Good, man. This feels like a bit of a reunion.
2:20.8	Yeah. Yeah, you used to sit in more frequently.
2:23.8	People will ask me like, how do you get on the Holy Post? And I say, I used to live a mile from the studio.
2:31.8	And once in a while, they wouldn't have a guest. And Sky would call me and say, can you be here in 15?
2:37.8	Get over here. Yeah, I'd say I'm watching TV right now, but let me move some things around.
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