This is Biz, and a posting One Bad Mother for over 10 years has taught me anything

it's that parenting is hard and nobody gives a shit. So belly up to the low bar,

where fine is good enough and you'll never feel alone. This is One Bad Mother.

But this week on One Bad Mother, lowering the bar doesn't mean going to the bar.

We talked to Celeste Yvonne, author of the new book It's a Not About the Wine,

the Loaded Truth Behind Mommy Wine Culture. Welcome Celeste. Thank you guys. Well,

that was clever. I love it. You know, what is it? 10, 11 years into this? I got to keep working

on those titles. Plus, we have a whole, we constantly talk about lowering the bar on the show,

and so our joke is welcome to the low bar. It has evolved over time, where fine is good enough.

You know, and so the bar keeps getting lower. Yeah. Oh, Jess, it is. You basically stand

on top of it now because it's just like a little brick. That's right. About as high as it gets.

Before we get going, I want to give everybody a little background and introduce you formally

to our listeners. So Celeste Yvonne, Subramom Advocate is a writer, certified recovery coach with

over 20 years of experience as a communications professional and corporate America. Her essays

on parenting, the mental load of motherhood, mommy wine culture and sobriety resonates with

mothers everywhere and has been featured in the Washington Post. Good morning, America, today's show

and refinery 29 among others. Over five years sober and founding host of the sober mom squad,

Celeste advocates for mothers who struggle with addiction and mental health. And to be honest,

after reading the book, you're advocating for a lot more. And yeah, I want to start

a little bit with your story, like, and how this wound up kind of becoming a career for you,

before I really want to delve into, you know, all of the things that you really tackle when you say

it's not about the wine. Yeah. I want to find out your story. But I want to start that story

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