Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

Joining me via Zoom from his home in the San Francisco area is my friend David Bingham.

Welcome to the podcast, David.

Thank you. It's great to be here.

As you know, listeners, I try to give you a little an overview of who you're going to hear from.

And then I give my guests a chance to sort of add to that or correct that.

But David and I are the same age.

I am about six months older.

So you're going to listen to two 60-year-olds.

And I'm looking at David on the Zoom, and he's got a great head of hair, and I have my hair

left. So that's something that God blessed us both with, is we're not bald yet. David's going to

share his story as a gay Latter-day Saint.

And some of my guests are, you know, I call us both older, to be honest.

We've lived six decades, but David's been on this road, obviously, for a long time.

And I think these longer stories are sometimes helpful for younger people, for allies, for parents. David will tell his story of growing up and being born in Utah, moving around, mostly growing up in Southern California.

He does now live in San Francisco. He's a creative director and a brand visual design at Wells Fargo.

He came out as gay in 1980, and that's really when he left

the church. And then he, for the next, if I'm doing my math correctly, about 36 years, was

outside of the church until 2016. That's just six years ago where he connected with the church and is now an active member of the church, received them as Malkisic priest.

It's been through the temple.

And so this is just going to be one of those stories where I'm really grateful for Dave.

David's going to be honest about difficult chapters in his life addiction and needing to go through a 12-step process.

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