Episode 510: The SBC Report and Rethinking Sexual Ethics with Christine Emba
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.6 • 4.1K Ratings
🗓️ 25 May 2022
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Summary
The independent report about the cover-up of sexual abuse within the Southern Baptist Convention has been released, and it’s far worse than anyone expected. What does it mean for the SBC and American evangelicalism in general? And Phil asks if there’s a difference between engaging in godly cultural transformation and fighting a culture war. Was William Wilberforce a culture warrior? And when are we really seeking change, and when are we just virtue signaling?
Then, Kaitlyn welcomes Washington Post opinion columnist and editor, Christine Emba, to discuss her new book “Rethinking Sex: A Provocation.” After interviewing dozens of young adults, Emba concludes that evangelical purity culture has problems, but so does the secular message of sex positivity. Instead, she draws from Christian theology and tradition to propose an ethical framework that goes beyond consent alone. Plus, Phil refuses to be concerned about an invasion of aggressive jumping worms.
News Segment:
0:00 - Intro
3:07 - Jumping worms
https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/jumping-worms-have-made-their-way-to-california-17182377.php
9:36 - SBC Report
32:06 - Culture wars or transformation?Sponsor:
48:32 - Faithful Counseling
faithfulcounseling.com/holypost
Interview with Christine Emba
“Rethinking Sex: A Provocation” - https://amzn.to/38gtHdj
“Consent is not enough. We need a new sexual ethic.”- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/17/sex-ethics-rethinking-consent-culture/
49:41 - Christine Emba intro
52:00 - Book background
54:28 - Misdiagnosing the problem
58:30 - Purity culture versus uncritical sex positivity
1:04:14 - Interviews within book
1:13:35 - Dating app culture
1:24:28 - Willing the good of the other
1:29:12 - Credits
Resources mentioned in news segment:
“Southern Baptist leaders covered up sex abuse, kept secret database, report says” by Sarah Pulliam Bailey (The Washington Post) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/05/22/southern-baptist-sex-abuse-report/
“Southern Baptists Refused to Act on Abuse, Despite Secret List of Pastors” by Kate Shellnutt (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/may/southern-baptist-abuse-investigation-sbc-ec-legal-survivors.html
“This Is the Southern Baptist Apocalypse” by Russell Moore (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/may-web-only/southern-baptist-abuse-apocalypse-russell-moore.html
“The Gift of Pain” by Paul Brand and Philip Yancey - https://amzn.to/3wGWjGa
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | On today's show, the Independent Report about the cover-up of sexual abuse within the Southern |
| 0:04.8 | Baptist Convention has been released, and it's way worse than anyone expected. Then Phil asks, |
| 0:10.5 | what's the difference between engaging in godly cultural transformation and fighting a culture war? |
| 0:16.6 | Then Caitlin talks to Washington Post-opinion columnist and editor Christine Emba about her new book, |
| 0:22.4 | Rethinking Sex, A Provocation. All of that, plus Phil refuses to be concerned about something |
| 0:28.7 | that I think sounds pretty concerning. Here is episode 510. Hey there, welcome back to the podcast. |
| 0:34.5 | This is Phil Vishur. You're listening to the Holy Post podcast. I'm here with Skyjitani. Hi Sky. |
| 0:39.9 | Hi Phil. Hi and Caitlin Chess. Hi Caitlin. Hi Phil. How's everybody? Who had the most exciting |
| 0:46.3 | thing happened to them in the last week? Either you think? My name is 17-year-old son went to prom. |
| 0:51.9 | Oh, that's so unusual for a 17-year-old boy in America. Well, my oldest daughter didn't get to go |
| 1:00.9 | to her prom because it was COVID. Right. Back in a prom. Which is he got a prom. He got a prom. |
| 1:06.7 | Were there any incidents? Were there, wait, let's answer this question first. Were any police reports |
| 1:12.0 | filed? That's my knowledge. Good. Caitlin, you don't have kids yet. You don't know. Okay, good. |
| 1:18.6 | All right. So he made it home. At on time, was he on time or was he late and you had the ground? |
| 1:23.8 | The whole thing, they took all the kids and a bus to the Field Museum in Chicago and they had the |
| 1:28.9 | dinner, the dance, everything was there and then everyone comes back on the bus. So there's no like, |
| 1:32.8 | Oh, wow. Driving independently or renting a room. Yeah. Pretty so fancy. What's fancy? We didn't |
| 1:39.4 | do anything like that when I was in high school. My high school rented the Field Museum. |
| 1:42.8 | I had a high school rent at the bottom of the Museum of Art. Okay. Like streamers and balloons |
| 1:49.2 | like the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance. That was about it. I have no idea what we had because I |
| 1:53.7 | did not attend a single dance during my entire high school career as probably surprises. No one. |
| 2:02.0 | How many do you go to prom, Caitlin? I went to prom, but I my senior year of high school, |
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