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Episode 509: The War on Winsomeness & Interfaith Cooperation with Eboo Patel

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Phil Vischer

Skyejethani, Society & Culture, Philvischer, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity, 226012, Christiantaylor, Atheism, Veggietales

4.64.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 May 2022

⏱️ 92 minutes

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Summary

Despite the uproar over the leaked Supreme Court decision overturning Roe, it turns out 80 percent of Americans have a nuanced view of the issue. Phil, Skye, and Christian discuss responses to last week’s show and ask why are we nuanced about some moral issues and absolutist about others. Then, conservative Christians are attacking Tim Keller for his winsome, non-partisan approach to Christianity. They say winsomeness may have worked in the past, but now the culture war is so dangerous that we need a more aggressive and offensive approach. Are they right? Skye interviews Eboo Patel, the founder and president of Interfaith America, about his new book “We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy.” Patel, a Muslim-American, talks about the transformative role Christianity had on his calling, why interfaith cooperation is essential, and what concerns him about the current culture of activism in America. Plus, scientists discover the Mariah Carey of jellyfish.

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News Segment

0:00 - Intro and updates
Christian’s documentary - https://thegirlwhoworefreedom.com
3:29 - News of the Butt
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bloody-belly-comb-jelly-pooping_n_625e59f1e4b066ecde16f302
10:03 - Responses to last week’s show
17:03 - Nuance versus absolutism
28:55 - Tim Keller and the war on winsomeness55:26 - Holy Post Patreon
http://patreon.com/holypost

Interview with Eboo Patel“We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy” - https://amzn.to/3MquyqO
Interfaith America - https://www.interfaithamerica.org57:30 - Eboo Patel - intro
59:20 - Background and calling
1:14:13 - Culture of activism in America
1:26:45 - Interfaith cooperation1:31:49 - CreditsResources and articles mentioned in news segment:
ProGrace: prograce.orgHoly Post Episode 254: Rethinking Our Response to Abortion with Angie Weszely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLa-rjvjAtk“America’s Abortion Quandry,” Pew Research Center - https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/“Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid” by Jonathan Haidt - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/Tim Keller Twitter thread - https://mobile.twitter.com/timkellernyc/status/1520107742110834699James Wood, “How I Evolved on Tim Keller” - https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2022/05/how-i-evolved-on-tim-kellerSamuel D. James, “Is it Time to Move Past Tim Keller?” - https://samueldjames.substack.com/p/is-it-time-to-move-past-tim-keller?s=rDavid French, “A Critique of Tim Keller Reveals the Moral Devolution of the New Christian Right” https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/a-critique-of-tim-keller-reveals?s=rRod Dreher, “Tim Keller & Myxomatosis Christians” - https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/tim-keller-david-french-myxomatosis-christians/

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Episode 509.

0:02.8

This week we talk about responses to last week's episode about the overturning of Rho.

0:08.2

It turns out that over 80% of Americans have a more nuanced view on abortion.

0:13.0

So how do we pick which issues to be nuanced about and which ones to be absolutist about?

0:18.5

Then a gang of conservative Christians are attacking Tim Keller for his win some nonpartisan

0:23.2

approach to Christianity.

0:25.2

They say that may have worked in the past, but now the culture war is so hot that we

0:29.4

need a more aggressive, angry and offensive approach.

0:33.0

Are they right?

0:34.3

Then I talk to my friend Ibu Patel, the founder and president of Interfaith America about

0:39.1

his new book and how he sees Interfaith cooperation as being essential for the future of our country.

0:45.3

All of that plus scientists discover the Mariah Carey of Jellyfish.

0:49.3

Hey there, welcome back to the podcast.

0:52.1

You're listening to the Holypost podcast and I'm Phil Visher.

0:55.2

I'm here with Christian Taylor.

0:58.2

Hi Christian.

0:59.2

Hey there Phil.

1:00.2

Hi and Sky, Jitani.

1:02.0

Hi Sky.

1:03.0

Hi, I wasn't sure if we'd actually started or if you were using that voice just to test

1:06.7

out the audio.

1:07.7

No, I thought I'd be a little more NPR this morning, this afternoon, this whatever it is.

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