Episode 50: Could Detransitioners Be Any More Bigoted? (With Detransitioner Carey Callahan)
Blocked and Reported
Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal
4.6 • 4.1K Ratings
🗓️ 6 February 2021
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
After Jesse tells Katie a touching story about shoveling food into his face-hole, and the hosts discuss his latest Twitter-feud -- this one with a noted New Yorker food critic (not staff writer) -- the hosts discuss a Slate article about detransition that seems geared at painting that communtiy in a particularly negative and reactionary light. But Cary Callahan, a detransitioner, therapist, and activist (who, to be fair, Katie and Jesse already knew before this all popped up), doesn't think this is a fair assessment, so she joins the pod for a conversation about her own experiences and what she thinks the Slate article misses.
Show notes/Links:
Jesse criticizes Helen: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1354851768090439684
Helen's thoughtful response forces Jesse to reconsider his position:
https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1355200463029874693
https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1355974150129655813
The Slate article about detransitioners: https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/02/detransition-movement-star-ex-gay-explained.html
Katie's detrans article: https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent
Jesse's detrans article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/
Carey Callahan's excellent stuff:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/CareyCallsBS
The Economist: https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/12/03/gender-identity-is-hard-but-jumping-to-medical-solutions-is-worse
Medium:
https://medium.com/@mariacatt42/in-which-i-fail-to-find-you-any-gate-keeping-622c447a835f
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| 0:00.0 | How's it going? |
| 0:06.4 | It's good, Katie. |
| 0:07.4 | I have a little story for you. |
| 0:09.0 | Uh-oh. |
| 0:10.0 | Uh-oh. |
| 0:11.0 | Okay, so I'm in Boston now visiting my parents the other night I was driving home from New |
| 0:14.7 | York. |
| 0:15.7 | I stopped to get pizza in a little place called Stirbridge, Massachusetts. |
| 0:20.4 | I think it's called Nopoli Pizza. |
| 0:21.8 | It was very good. |
| 0:23.1 | But a little, I had a little near, near death experience. |
| 0:26.0 | Oh, this is exciting. |
| 0:28.3 | Yeah, it's incredibly exciting. |
| 0:30.3 | So I, okay, so I get these two slices of pizza, pepper and onion on them. |
| 0:34.6 | In case you're wondering, you're probably wondering did they just put raw pepper and onion |
| 0:38.2 | on and put them in the oven or did they saute the pepper and onion fresh for me? |
| 0:41.3 | They sauteed it fresh for me, so don't worry about that. |
| 0:43.3 | Okay. |
| 0:44.3 | It was very tasty. |
| 0:45.4 | So I, they're closing up. |
| 0:47.4 | I'm sitting in my car. |
| 0:48.4 | I'm eating one giant slice of pizza while staring at this family as they close up their |
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