BONUS: Two More New York Times Departures Raise Some Troubling Questions About Disrespect Of Peruvian Shamans

Blocked and Reported

Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal

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🗓️ 11 February 2021

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Jesse and Katie talk about a disturbing bit of listener feedback and the recent departures from the Times, under questionable circumstances, of Andy Mills and Donald McNeil Jr. Are the worst norms of campus culture seeping into major media institutions? To hear the answer, you'll have to listen. (It's 'yes.')

(Correction: At around 8:00 in the recording, Jesse originally referred to Rukmini Callamachi as a "woman of color." She isn't one. The error has been snipped out and free listeners will never hear it. Jesse apologizes for the misracing. Also, race is a poisonous fiction.)

Show notes/Links:

The Cut on Andy Mills: https://www.thecut.com/2018/02/at-wnyc-an-uncertain-path-out-of-scandal.html

His resignation note: https://www.andymills.work/resignation

The Times on both resignations: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/business/media/donald-mcneil-andy-mills-leave-nyt.html

John McWhorter is skeptical of collapsing the use/mention distinction: https://johnmcwhorter.substack.com/p/the-n-word-as-slur-vs-the-n-word

NHJ not great on anonymous sources...: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1358780440774082561

...or the question of whether the NYT has published "that word" much: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1358781725652975618

Because it has: https://rb.gy/pm6bpc

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0:00.0	How's it going?
0:06.2	It's good, except I've got some perturbing reader feedback.
0:10.0	What's that?
0:11.0	I'll try not to get emotional.
0:12.4	This is just through our contact form.
0:15.0	Ouch!
0:16.0	That's the first sentence, ouch.
0:18.4	Ouch.
0:19.4	Listen into your podcast with Ethan Waters.
0:22.0	As an educator who often uses your podcast, I was shocked with your comments about, quote,
0:26.2	boggo drums and quote, the final solution.
0:33.2	I assume that this reader is referring to something that you said.
0:37.2	Well, let me read the rest of that one, always plain.
0:40.2	As a member of blah, blah, blah, identifying details, I do not feel comfortable recommending
0:44.4	your podcast to students or teachers when this type of banter is in your podcast.
0:49.8	Very disappointed with your lack of sensitivity to modern issues, having equality and prejudice.
0:55.2	Boggo drums was a joke you made.
0:57.2	It was like us riffing on this idea that there's like white culture on the one hand and
1:01.2	then quote, ethnic culture on the other.
1:03.4	It was not like an anti-African tribesman joke.
1:06.4	It was in context.
1:07.4	I don't think offensive.
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