This is a crowd podcast.

Once the government gives somebody immunity,

they've already opened the door for me to call them a liar.

That's one of Frank Wuderich's lawyers, Major Hatham Farage.

Why do I need to give you immunity unless you've done something bad?

What's the immunity for?

I mean, if you're just a witness, when Mike Epstein sees something and goes to the reporter,

he doesn't need immunity to talk about it.

Why do I need to give you immunity?

I give me immunity because you've got something to hide.

And I just got to peel the onion enough to understand exactly what's going on in there and to try and monetize it for the jury to show what the value of that immunity is.

Because if Hatham Farage goes and gives money to a witness and say, testify for me this way,

I'd be prosecuted for obstruction of justice and you name it.

But when the government goes and does it, not with money, but call it immunity,

which is more valuable than money because it's liberty, we don't think anything of it.

And that's the first step to unraveling the government's case.

This investigation is convened by Lieutenant General James T. Mattis,

commanding officer, First Marine Expeditionary Force,

by the appointing order dated 23 May of 2007.

In the case of Staff Sergeant Frank D. Woodridge, the United States Marine Corps,

be accused. May I call your first witness?

So, Mendezzo, if you go, please stand in front of what you're saying.

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