The off-ramp, of course, as we all know, was Bernie.

Bernie saying, I'm not going to vote for Bloomberg in March or February of 2020 was not

guaranteeing Trump's victory quite the opposite.

It was recognizing that Biden had vulnerabilities.

There was COVID.

He was going to be running from the basement that the pandemic demanded a more revolutionary response to our health care

system and our insurance system being tied to our work when everyone was getting fired was

ridiculous and that he should have been the nominee precisely because Trump presented such a dangerous

threat. That is the kind of conversation that should be had in the moment when you're asked,

are you going to vote for Bloomberg? And by denying that, by sidestepping, the moment when you're asked, are you going to vote for Bloomberg?

And by denying that, by sidestepping, the reality that you're being constrained in these choices

artificially, you're enabling the vote blue no matter who is in down the line.

I, yeah.

My argument with Chomsky was had a month before the election, the 2020 election. And I remember trying to ask him, I begged him, okay, let's pretend we're all going to vote for, let's just for the sake of arguments, everyone's voting for Biden this time around. Let's talk about the 2024 election. Go back. Play the tape. Let's talk about the 2024 election. What should happen between then and now so we're not in the same situation?

Are you just going to be telling us vote no matter who for years from now?

I get all those arguments.

And I've thought about them a lot.

And I said, no, I'm not voting for anybody who committed a genocide.

I'm not doing it.

It sounded as if I were taking a morose against a political position, and maybe I was. It's a red line. You cross the red

I think it's both. I think it's both a moral and moral. Maybe, but I don't have a problem with

disagreeing on those things, because I see, I think one of the problems people often miss, in particular people on the left, but not just people on the left.

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