Welcome to this week's episode of Startups for the Rest of Us. I'm your host, Rob Walling. This week,

I'm trying out a new episode format. It is a discussion show. So it's a conversation between myself

and my old friend Derek Reimer. And we talk about a number of topics. We talk about the value

versus the stress of Twitter and social media in general, the pros and cons of remote work.

We talk about Cal Newport's new book

Digital Minimalism. And then we wind up talking about Josh Pigford's blog post on the Barometrics

blog that's titled, I Almost Sold Barometrics for $5 million. What I like about this episode

format is it's pretty casual. And we're covering topics that I think are

relevant to many of us and that a lot of us are thinking about. I originally thought of

structuring and this as some type of news roundtable or, you know, a show where we're talking

about topics of today. And while we kind of do that with a couple things, I think the ability

to introduce topics that aren't necessarily news articles or, you know, news headlines also works.

And the fact that Derek and I know each other as well as we do really helps with just the rapport and the conversation.

You know, it's not not stiff or stilted.

So I hope you feel the same way about that.

If you don't recall who Derek Rimer is, he and I have

known each other for years. We met back when I lived in Fresno, and he was a young kid who was

participating in a startup competition that I was the judge of, and he won a couple years in a row.

And then he was thinking about starting to do some consulting work. And I said, look,

why don't you come write some code for HitTale? Later on, he wrote all the early code for Drip.

Later on became, you know, retroactive co-founder of Drip. And so he and I have known each other.

We've worked together. He's been on the show several times talking about he had started an app

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