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The Charles C. W. Cooke Podcast

Episode 48: Trias Politica — with Steve Simpson

The Charles C. W. Cooke Podcast

National Review

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5.01000 Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

On episode 48, Charles celebrates the Jacksonville Jaguars' 34-14 victory over the Tennessee Titans, and then talks to Steve Simpson about the core of America's system of government: the separation of powers. Among the questions discussed are: What is separation of powers? Why does it matter? Does America still have it? Can it co-exist with the modern world? Can there be such a thing as an "independent executive agency"? What is the "unitary executive doctrine"? Are we going in the right direction—or backsliding back to monarchy?

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0:00.0

Welcome to episode of episode 48 of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast. Happy Thanksgiving. The best American holiday.

0:31.5

I am, of course, thankful for a great deal, not least the glorious victory that the Jacksonville Jaguarial

0:41.2

has staged last Sunday against the evil empire, the Tennessee Titans, perhaps the most

0:48.9

perfidious tyranny in the history of the world.

0:55.4

Look, when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary, very pretty phrase.

1:01.1

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created.

1:05.5

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:07.3

But I'll tell you this much.

1:09.4

They pale in comparison to Jacksonville, Jaguars 34, Tennessee Titans 14, which is the most delicious

1:21.3

of all sentences in the English language.

1:26.1

Even Shakespeare couldn't manage that one.

1:31.1

Perhaps because he's a Seahawks fan.

1:35.0

Now, as is typical,

1:37.2

I have been thinking about what I'm thankful for this year.

1:44.4

And this got me thinking, of course, about America and its Constitution.

1:49.9

And that got me thinking about an answer that Justice Antonin Scalia gave in front of the

1:57.4

Senate Judiciary Committee a few years ago, in which he made the case that the

2:02.9

heart and soul of the American system is not the Bill of Rights, but is in fact separation of

2:11.5

powers, and indeed that it's our separation of powers that ultimately keeps America free.

2:20.3

Here's what Scalia said.

2:24.3

So, when I speak to these groups, the first point I make, and I think it's even a little more fundamental

2:33.3

than the one that Stephen has just put forward.

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