Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

I have three guests on my podcasts that are jointly connected on a research that project they're doing through North Central University in La Jolla, California.

It's an LGBTQ-focused research. I love these kind of projects because it

helps us to do better when we know better. And all three of these individuals are joining me via

Zoom. And two are faculty at North Central University, and one is a PhD student.

And so I'll let Dr. Mark White, who reached out to me,

he's a member of the church, just talk about the research that he's doing.

And perhaps you could also then introduce the other two guests on the podcast.

Certainly. Thank you.

So we started talking the last year, and we called the project Mike Cortreuse.

And just to, you know, kind of give you a little backstory.

I didn't have the words for it when I was a missionary, but I remember in conversations with people, they saw the world a certain way.

And I now call that a paradigm or a worldview.

And I saw it a different way.

And if we were able to just get on the same paradigm or worldview,

then everything would make sense. And one of the things I've observed over the years as

I've interacted with individuals who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ,

the Latter-day Saints, and then leave, is sometimes when that paradigm, when they leave the church, the paradigm that they have dramatically changes.

And it's not just they kind of switch flavors of Christianity.

Their whole paradigm is blown to pieces, whether there's a God or not, whether there's order in the universe, particularly see that among millennials who are leaving the church.

And so that, you combine that with, you know, some kind of formative pieces over my life.

I'm in high school right before I served a mission.

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