Welcome to this week's episode of Startups for the Rest of Us.

I'm your host, Rob Walling.

Each week on the show, we cover topics related to building and growing startups in a way that's designed for the rest of us, for the folks who can't move to the big city, can't move to the Silicon Valley, don't want to sacrifice their life or their family to grow a company.

We value relentless execution, and we have a long-term mindset.

So we think in terms of years, not months, maybe even decades. And as such, we don't burn

ourselves out by working crazy hours, sacrificing our health, sacrificing our relationships.

And this week, I circle back and catch up with Mike Tabor again on his progress and learn about how he's doubling down

on Blue Tick. This is Startups for the Rest of Us, episode 461.

Welcome to Startups for the Rest of Us, the podcast that helps developers, designers, and

entrepreneurs be awesome at building, launching, and growing startups. Whether you've built your fifth

startup or are you thinking about your first. I'm Rob, and today with Mike Tabor, we're here to share

our experiences to help you avoid the mistakes we've made. Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining

me. Today's a bit of a longer episode because I find

when Mike and I catch up, he just has a lot going on. And the feedback I've heard is not to cut it short.

You know, typically our startups for the rest of us episodes have been 25 to 35 minutes over the years.

Some of the interviews run a little long and, you know, the conversations with Mike often are,

they're just pretty fun. And frankly, I feel like the conversation is valuable. I think we touch

on a lot of interesting things today that, that I know a lot of people are struggling with based on

the emails and tweets and kind of reaches out that, that he and I have been receiving. So I did allow this one to go a little

long and I'll see what I can do in the future to keep him a little shorter. I plan to do this

about every month to touch base with Mike to keep up on his progress. It gives him enough time

to execute on things for things to change. And I really love following the thread of any founder. And that's

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