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Hey, welcome to Conversations with People Who Hate Me.

The show that takes people in conflict and connects them in conversation.

I am your host, Dylan Marin.

Today, we have two endings in one.

It is the final act of the three-part mini-series on conversion therapy,

and this is also the season finale.

Don't worry, I'll say a more official and loving see you later in the post-script of this episode,

so let's just focus on our first ending right now, the culmination of a three-week trilogy.

In part one, you heard me talk to Garrid Conley, the celebrated writer who wrote the memoir Boy Erased

about escaping a conversion therapy clinic called Love in Action.

In part two, you heard my chat with John Smith, the man who ran Love in Action.

As you heard, he also had his own journey out of running a conversion therapy clinic.

And now, in our grand finale, Garrid and John will speak with each other.

Since you already heard the previous two episodes,

and I just want to say I really strongly recommend that you listen to them before listening to this.

I don't think this will make sense.

I'm going to keep this introduction brief.

Here are Garrid and John.

Let me start recording.

John, can you hear Garrid?

Yes, I heard.

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