In this Tabor-Rific episode of Startups for the Rest of Us, Mike returns to the show.

This is Startups for the Rest of Us, episode 458.

Welcome to Startups to the Rest of Us, the podcast.

It helps developers, designers, and entrepreneurs be awesome at building, launching, and growing startups.

Whether you've built your fifth startup or you're working on your first.

I'm Rob.

And I'm Mike.

And we're here to share our experiences to help you avoid the mistakes we've made on our journeys.

Mike, it's been a long time.

Hi.

Yeah, it has.

So what, 10 episodes?

10 episodes.

I don't think either of us realized, yeah, that it would be that long.

And just so listeners know, you and I have literally not spoken verbally.

We've texted since that episode, but we have not spoken since episode 448.

That's true.

Yeah, it's funny.

We don't talk that much, you know, we tend to text and email a lot.

You know, I hear that from people when I talk to them at microconf is that they have the expectation

or the inclination to believe that you and I talk either every day or at least a couple of times a week,

and that's totally not true. Like, we will email back and forth and we will sometimes go for a

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