Episode 45 - The Wall
This Jungian Life Podcast
Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano
4.7 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 7 February 2019
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
With “The Wall” very much in the forefront of national discussion, Deb, Lisa and Joseph reflect on the archetype of walls. Some may be stonewalls simply marking boundaries between neighbors. Others may be massive defenses like the Great Wall of China. What do walls keep out – or keep in? What do we need to create necessary separation, and what walls off connection with our own shadow that may be projected onto immigrants. When we focus on building a wall, do we neglect our internal infrastructure, health care and education—and eventually shut down our government? This discussion explores parallels between external and internal walls.
The Dream:
I am in my parents’ home and preparing to sleep, when I feel scared and I see through window just shining eyes looking at me from dark. I come closer and open the terrace door and I see an old lady, and I start yelling at her and waving with my hands to make her go. I want to scream but I have no voice and then my partner wakes me up. I was lying in bed, feeling scared for couple of moments, more...
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to this Jungian life. |
| 0:03.0 | Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marciano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee, |
| 0:09.0 | invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. |
| 0:17.0 | I'm Lisa Marciano and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. |
| 0:22.0 | I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia. |
| 0:27.0 | I'm Deborah Stewart, a youngian analyst on Cape Cod. |
| 0:31.0 | This week we are going to explore a topic that is very much in the news |
| 0:37.0 | and in the national forefront but our interest of, is also internal, intrapsychic, and psychological dynamics. |
| 0:47.4 | And the topic, are you waiting to hear, is the wall. |
| 0:51.9 | We have a government shutdown and I have been interested in how the image of a wall |
| 0:59.4 | and a government shutdown happens internally as well as externally. |
| 1:05.2 | So, Lisa and Joseph, what's up for you about the wall? |
| 1:09.6 | I know there's a lot up in this for me. |
| 1:12.1 | Literally, almost. |
| 1:14.8 | It sounds like we're going to try to add a dimension |
| 1:17.6 | to the discussion that's more psychological |
| 1:20.3 | and perhaps archetypal. |
| 1:21.7 | So I'm drawn to just thinking about walls. |
| 1:25.9 | And the image that comes to mind is just two years ago |
| 1:29.4 | I had an extended vacation in Ireland. And in the older parts of Ireland and in the countryside, |
| 1:38.1 | there are walls, stone walls that are stacked by hand that have been rest-stacked and maintained, creating, you know, |
| 1:47.6 | pastures and highly defined areas all over rural Ireland, which is strangely beautiful and very powerful and very defining. |
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