You're listening to the Forgotten podcast, bringing voice to the foster care community.

15 minutes later, comes into the room and he's all worked up but you can't start yelling at your wife

when she's on the bed listening to her Bible so he comes in and just sits down next to me for a minute

and as soon as he settled down, the verse played in Mark that says

the house divided against itself cannot stand. And he leaned over to me and said, you know,

I'm sure you still feel all the ways you feel. And I know I feel all the ways I feel. But the truth is,

it's not important. The most important thing is that our house is not defined.

Hello and welcome to The Forgotten Podcast. I'm Jamie Cabe, and you know, we are well over

halfway through season four. I am so glad you're here today. Have you checked out our over

40 other episodes of the Forgotten podcast?

We exist to bring voice to the foster care community.

We want to be a place where you can hear from both experts in the field, but also from

everyday people.

Maybe you don't even know their stories, but you need to know their stories.

We want to bring you hope in your journey.

My guest today is Beth Gunkenberger.

Beth and her husband Todd live with their family in Cincinnati, Ohio, where they serve as the co-executive directors of back-to-back ministries. The Gunkenbergers have also lived in Mexico, where they served

for 15 years in ministry there. Between biological foster

and adopted children, they have raised 10 children. Beth is the author of eight books, including

adult and children's books. She travels and speaks regularly at conferences, youth gatherings,

church services. Her style is really based on storytelling, and you're going to really enjoy hearing

from her. But she draws from her vast field experience as a missionary, a Bible teacher, and a

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