Vienvinitas. That's California for welcome to the May 27th edition of National Reviews, Radio Free California Podcast.

I'm Will Swam, CEO of the California Policy Center. You can find my colleagues

and me at California Policy Center.org. You'd ordinarily find me here with David Bonson, of course,

but in his place, the inimitable John Lovett. We have brought him back from, no, it's John Fleischman,

who is the longtime political consultant, longtime friend of mine, a-time friend of David's, just a long time, man.

And he's also author of the So Does It Matter, Substack, John Welcome.

Yeah, and yet it's true.

I get constantly harassed from you because you think I sound like John Lovett.

You sound just like him.

Well, that's because I'm

always around a foolish man like you. All right. We have so much to get to, John. I'm grateful

that you're here. David is traveling this week. And I can't really think of a better person than

you to come on and talk about upcoming politics here. That's because like you, we chronicle the burning of Rome every day.

We really do.

I wonder if you can help me start off with the governor's race.

What the polling shows seems to be what we all know, which is Hilton and Bacera roughly tied.

Is that correct for this June 2nd primary vote?

So here's what I would tell you. A lot of these

statewide surveys, they will tell you that they're not entirely accurate, and so they have what they

call a margin of error. And when you start to factor in the margin of error, I really think it's a

three-person raise. It's really Bacera, Steyer, and Hilton that are bunched up in the top three,

which is why recently,

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