Episode 44: Differ We Must — with Steve Inskeep

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🗓️ 6 October 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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On episode 44, Charles talks to NPR's Steve Inskeep about his excellent new book on Abraham Lincoln, Differ We Must: How Lincoln Succeeded in a Divided America. Among the topics discussed are whether the book is a call for engagement in the modern era, whether practical politics gets a bad rap, what Lincoln really thought about African-Americans, whether Lincoln intuited that he was going die in office, what challenges are presented by the fact that Lincoln was murdered when he was, whether Lincoln's occasional dishonesty was justified, and what class-based "equality" meant in his era.

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0:00.0	Welcome to episode 4 of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast.
0:26.8	I'm happy Friday to everyone except for American Airlines who stranded me overnight in Dallas, Texas with no notice.
0:36.8	And didn't seem to care much about it at all.
0:40.3	Thanks guys. I've done a lot of traveling over the last few days. I've been to Miami.
0:47.3	I've been to beautiful southern Utah to see the city. And tonight I am flying to England to see the Jaguars play in London
0:59.7	against the Bills. I'm very excited about that one. In fact, I'm taking my dad who has never been
1:07.6	to an NFL game before. In fact, it was never watched an NFL game before. I shall report
1:16.0	back on this podcast what he thinks. So I'm just going to jump right into this episode because I
1:24.4	have to head out to the airport. My guest today is Steve Innskeep, the host of Morning Edition and Up First on NPR,
1:35.6	and the author of an excellent new book on Abraham Lincoln called Differ We Must,
1:42.3	How Lincoln Succeeded in a Divided America.
1:46.1	The book is out now.
1:49.1	Steve Inskeep, welcome to the Charles C.W. Cook podcast.
1:53.6	Honor to be here. Thank you.
1:55.8	Well, I love the book.
1:57.7	Thank you.
1:58.0	As a result, I want to start with a provocation of sorts, which I suspect will double as a form of the question,
2:07.0	why did you write this book? And that provocation is this. I'd suggest that the thrust of your book,
2:14.5	Differ We Must, is at this moment in time in our current culture here
2:20.9	in the United States and elsewhere fairly radical. That thrust being that even in the worst
2:27.8	of political or moral circumstances to seek out people who disagree with you and to be willing to debate them
2:39.5	and engage them on their own terms is good, actually. Of the 16 stories you tell in the book,
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