I'm not, just because I get headaches from light, so I'm going to be wearing the shades.

And then you'll get all the comments, why is he wearing shades inside? And I'll go up further. We'll put that bit in the podcast. All right, so we've got somebody, we're super like chill. So we're on, right? We've got, Kaya is sometimes co-hosts with me and he's going to walk in at some point and join us. But I thought it would be good to let the audience know how we initially met because it's quite funny. So I was in the airport flying out and I see Sheikh Huthman's in there and I'm like, you know when you see someone, we haven't met in person, hadn't met in person at that point. And so you see someone and you see them online and you

but then online at first someone looks a little bit different to in person so i'm like is that

and that's why i i've already just looked at like this weird guy who's just staring at you and you

blessed you with your like the beauty of your character and you're probably being used to

constantly speak to strangers you just looked at me went, went, Slam al-a-com.

Okay, that gives me the end. I said, I think we have mutuals and stuff, and then, Hamd Allah. And then we got speaking about something that I was really passionate about, which was finances. Now, I'm not passionate about finances on a public level, like, as in like, it's part of my work or anything, but I feel like it's a underserved part of the, um, Muslim, uh, space.

100%. And I'm not talking about. And what I kind of pitched to you when we were speaking

was the fact that there's so much talk in the Muslim world in terms of finances, but it's all about how to make more money, how to make money ethically, how to invest. But there's not really much out there for the layman, which is how most people are just dealing with the income that they get from their salary every month. How do you best use that? What are the rulings that I should know about that? How do I pay off my debts? What if I'm in debt that has interest? And all of these different things. So the lay Muslim, I think there's not enough information and education for them on financial literacy. And we just started talking about that for, I think, like a couple hours and loads of other different topics. And I appreciated that. But I wanted to use this episode as a way to kind of continue that conversation at some point. Pleasure to be here first off. And it's amazing how you just meet somebody at airport and then, haem the lower here. Yeah. I think you have a great point. And we've been working on this. There are products out there on information and how to invest and all that. I get it. Most of those cost a lot of money and all that kind of stuff. Also, a lot of people don't know if I invest in this halal option, if I get a loan from this Islamic bank, is it really halal?

So I've been working with a group of olemaa and we have been, I mean, I went to Bahrain,

met with sheikh Nizam Yaqubi, who's well known as probably the world's number one Islamic finance

guy.

I went to Kuwait, met with Sheikh Uthman Chameas.

I met with the Lajna in Saudi Arabia,

I met with some scholars from Pakistan, and then in the US, al-h-h-h-h-h-harm Diedan, we have Sheikh

Abrahim Zaid, we have Sheikh Kama al-Qaeda from Canada.

So really we kind of collected like this brain, PhD level,

muhaqq level, kind of scholarly body.

And we're starting an organization called IFAB.

Okay.

Islamic finance accountability board.

Kind of sounds cool, IFAB, right?

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