In this episode of Startups for the Rest of us, Mike and I talk about converting free users to paid, vesting, business ethics, and more listener questions.

This is Startups for the Rest of Us, episode 431.

Welcome to Startups for the Rest of us, the podcast.

It helps developers, designers, and entrepreneurs be awesome at building, launching, and growing software products.

Whether you've built your first product or you're just thinking about it.

I'm Rob.

And I'm Mike.

And we're here to share our experiences to help you avoid the same mistakes we've made.

So we're this week, Mike?

A couple of personal milestones for January.

The first one is that I have averaged over seven hours of sleep per night since I got my CPAP machine.

So that is good.

I'm glad to see that I'm actually getting sleep these days.

And then the other one is that for January specifically, I kind of got back on the bandwagon for exercise. So I've logged 12 days of exercise for January.

It's one of those really small personal wins. It doesn't really make a difference in the grand

scheme of things, but it's nice to see that things seem to be getting back on track.

That's awesome, man.

Yeah, the seven hours, isn't that up from...

Three and a half?

Like four hours or so.

I mean, that's a huge difference.

Yeah.

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