Hey everybody, welcome to Crystal Cullen Friends, very excited about the gentleman who

will be joining us today for our interview, Ken Clippenstein, phenomenal reporter for

the Intercept, really goes deep on a lot of national security stories on a lot of sort

of corporate power and abuse stories, talking to rank-and-file workers, rank-and-file folks

working at these agencies and digging up the things that, frankly, oftentimes the mainstream

media has no interest in it. Yeah, unrelated, but do you think people, like, do you say,

they say Ken Clippenstein to him sometimes, or is it always steam? Do you get the sense that

there's a little bit of confusion on that front? I feel like there always is. I'm even

questioning myself right now. Right, yeah. No, I think you're right. I think it's Clippenstein.

Okay. We could just call him. I just say it with, I just, when I'm not sure about a name,

my go-to move is just to say it with a lot of confidence. Because then what happens is even if

you're wrong, people are like, oh, she's obviously right about that. She's obviously got that down.

Yeah. No, it'll be good. Ken does a great job over at the Intercept. He also has an amazing

Twitter feed. He does. He does. Hilarious. Hilarious. Yeah, if you go through the list of the stories

he's covered, it's Banger after Banger. Indeed. So definitely looking forward to it. But before

we get into that, this clip was very, very interesting to me because it made me think

and I like stuff that I don't necessarily agree with, but it makes me think. That's like my,

that's the stuff that I'm always searching out. I don't need anybody to, yeah, I don't want anybody

to, you know, confirm my priors. I know what they are and I know what I think and I can give you

a thousand different arguments for the things I think. Tell me, disagree with me, but in a way that's

really thoughtful. And I'm like, ooh, this is interesting. You know what I mean? So this is kind

of what happens here with John Stewart. I don't know if I fully disagree. It's like half agree,

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