Welcome to the Catholic podcast. I'm your host for today's episode Chloe Langer and I'm

joined by my regular co-host Joe Heshmire of Holy Family School of Faith and

shameless potpourri, Joe welcome to the show. Thanks Chloe. So we're in the

middle of our Advent series we're taking a traditional approach to Advent and talking about the four last things.

We're gonna switch it up from what you may normally think of the four last things of death, judgment, heaven and hell, and instead today talk about hell for a couple reasons.

Yeah, first of all, it's, we didn't want to end the four-part series right before Christmas by talking

about hell.

We wanted to get this episode out of the way. But also it's

the order Joan Paul II talks about them and his document on reconciliation and penance. He puts

them in that order and it does seem fitting to talk about the reality of hell but the good news of the

gospel really is good news. I mean the good news of the gospel is even though through your

sins you might deserve hell the offer of redemption is there.

So it ends with and is couched in terms of heaven.

Otherwise I think you just misunderstand the gospel.

So let's start off today's conversation

with a classic question, is the idea of hell

an eternity of suffering apart from God

compatible with the idea of an all good loving God that God we see his father.

Yeah, and so I actually did a four-part series on my blog Shameless Poppery talking about this

recently and you can go on there and you can take a look at it but we'll talk about some of the same subjects today.

But I think to understand what we mean by how, you have to understand how we're wired, what we're made for and why we can't be happy with anything other than God.

Because here's the thing. People want to say there is a God, this God is all good. Our hearts are made for Him. But if that's all true and it's true that we can knowingly

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