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Episode 428: Loren (Queer) and Anne Brown (Straight/Demisexual), Married Latter-day Saint Couple

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2021

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

My friends Loren (PhD in Counseling Psychology from BYU) and Anne (Master in Marriage and Family Therapy from BYU) share their story. Loren, who knew he was not straight from an early age, shares his journey of self-discovery and understanding and why he identifies as Queer—a recent development—and the personal revelation that led him to accepting that label for himself. Loren and Anne also discuss falling in love and their decision to get married and Loren being open about his orientation—describing being able to “show up as my full authentic self”. Loren, who is a licensed psychologist at Washington State University, also talks about his identical twin brother who is gay and married to a man. Loren shares about how close he is with his twin and how strong their relationship is, but also helps us understand that his story is different from his brother's story and how we shouldn’t try to complete other’s stories—but create space for the uniqueness of each story. If you want to better understand your own story as a LGBTQ Latter-day Saint or better understand others, please listen to this podcast. Loren and Anne offer wonderful and unique insights —merging their personal stories and profession insights to help bring more understanding. Loren is also the author of this excellent article about the creation and use of identity labels, written while he was at BYU: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1554&context=irp Thank you Loren and Anne for being on the podcast. You two are awesome!

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0:00.0

My guest on today's podcast and my friends, Anne and Lauren Brown, welcome to the podcast.

0:10.2

Thank you.

0:10.8

It's great to be here.

0:12.5

This couple, I'll introduce them to you before we get going, so you kind of get an idea of what we're going to talk about.

0:17.8

We set a prayer before we get started and we pray this podcast

0:20.8

to be helpful for you. Lauren and Ann are married. They have three children, two boys and a girl.

0:27.5

They're in there. I would think in your late 30s, the two of you? I'm 36. I'm 42.

0:34.7

Okay, there you go. So this is a couple. We're just going to say kind of rounding, well, you heard what they're ages and that's great. Okay, there you go. So this is a couple we're just going to say kind of rounding.

0:38.3

Well, you heard their ages and that's great.

0:41.6

They both met at BYU and have education from BYU and received a master's degree in marriage and family therapy from BYU.

0:52.2

It is a marriage and family therapist.

0:56.1

Lauren got an undergraduate degree in psychology

0:59.1

and then a PhD in counseling psychology,

1:01.5

also from BYU.

1:03.7

And they went to Pullman, Washington.

1:06.4

You may recognize that's the home

1:08.5

of Washington State University five years ago, where Lauren is a licensed

1:14.1

psychologist working at Washington State University. Lauren's going to still, this is an active

1:20.6

LDS couple. Lauren's going to share his story as a queer Latter-day Saint. And he's going to talk about labels.

1:30.1

He's written an article in 2015 that's in a BYU

1:33.6

publication will reference in the podcast description talk about labels.

1:37.3

But from a professional standpoint and a personal standpoint,

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