Hey, I'm Dylan Marin and welcome back to Conversations with People Who Hate Me, the

show where I take conflict and turn it into conversation.

If you're into this podcast, may I tell you about conversations with people who hate me

the book?

It's out on March 29th, 2022, and in it, I distill the 12 things I've learned from

making this show as a sort of guide for you to use in difficult conversations of your

own.

Oh, and I also wrote it to be read by listeners and non-listeners of this podcast alike, so

that means it is for you and also that person in your life who has never even heard of

me or this show.

The pre-sale link is in the description of this episode, but I trust that you know how

to use Google, and I'm really proud of you for that.

So like I said, this show takes people in conflict, typically, but not always digital conflict,

and connects them in conversation.

That is, in fact, what you've gotten in every single episode of this show.

Until today, because today's episode took an unexpected turn.

You'll see why as you listen.

I first became aware of Michael James Schneider's work in the modern way that most of us become

familiar with anyone's work, by scrolling on social media.

And chances are, you're familiar with his work, too.

Michael is best known for his balloon art, in which he takes a modern cultural sentiment

or expression, like stop trying to make the wrong people love you the right way, or

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