Alright, well here we are another episode of Scientology Fair Game. Hello Mikey.

Hi Lely. Happy to see you and your smiling face. I know the people that listen to this got

a wonder what are you what are they talking about but we do a zoom call where we can see each

other and our guests so that it's easier to talk but we don't air a video of the show.

Which people want but yeah well I'm not so enthused about that. I know because

everybody has to look good. Yeah and you can't make all the weird facial expressions that

you know whatever it's easier. Yes exactly exactly. Well welcome to another

episode of our podcast Scientology Fair Game with us today is a distinguished guest.

We've also had this guest on the aftermath and so we thank you. We want to introduce

our guest Mike. Yes sure you know this is someone who if you are interested in the

subject of cults this person is someone that you know all about. He is a former

former moonie but today he's a leading expert on cults undue influence and unethical hypnosis

which is something I definitely want to ask him about. He recently appeared in the

Heavens Gate doc that was on HBO Max and in seduced inside the nexium cult that was on

stars. He's the author of several books on cults combating cult mind control releasing

the bonds impairing people to think for themselves freedom of mind helping

loved ones controlling people cults and beliefs and the last book that he wrote

and published the cult of Trump. He's the founding director of Freedom of Mind

Resource Center. Please welcome and we as we welcome Dr. Steve Hassan. Hi Steve.

So nice to have you with us. Hi Mike. Hi Lee I was just remembering that we saw

each other at Marcy Hamilton's child USA Gala fundraiser where you both got an

award I believe. Yes. Yes we did. And I listen to your work I I saluted you when we

...